2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I find this scenario fascinating. Geelong have offered Cameron a huge contract, presumably (1) to entice him to leave (2) to make it hard for the Giants to match.

Now that they have to trade for him, are they required to offer the same terms, or is it back to the drawing board. Will they offer less $? Same would apply to Crouch too.

[Captain]

Good on GWS for matching.

I know they are meant to be our enemy, but gee, I really like the way they operate.

[Mark26]

Good on GWS for matching.

I know they are meant to be our enemy, but gee, I really like the way they operate.

+1

Geelong should be made to cough up more than Cameron's salary. Love it!

[707]

I find this scenario fascinating. Geelong have offered Cameron a huge contract, presumably (1) to entice him to leave (2) to make it hard for the Giants to match.

Now that they have to trade for him, are they required to offer the same terms, or is it back to the drawing board. Will they offer less $? Same would apply to Crouch too.

He's signed a contract for those $, he will get them from either Cats or GWS regardless of how he gets there.

In reality, accepting pick 12 compo for a marquee KPF is way unders, they talked tough when he said he was leaving, needed to follow it up by matching or they wouldn't be taken seriously again in trades.

[Markwebbos]

He's signed a contract for those $, he will get them from either Cats or GWS regardless of how he gets there.

In reality, accepting pick 12 compo for a marquee KPF is way unders, they talked tough when he said he was leaving, needed to follow it up by matching or they wouldn't be taken seriously again in trades.

So then, Geelong are the loser because they are tied to the massive 5 year RFA contract, but don't get him for nothing. Presumably, unlike a RFA, they can change the contract later, if he's agreeable?

[Aprilbr]

I think its fascinating how teams after restricted free agents have turned the salary $ into a weapon so that they pay him just enough so that the team he is leaving does not match and receives a favourable pick as compensation. Effectively, this tactic means that the acquiring team gives up no draft picks or players just a bit more in their salary cap $.

Needless to say, the loser is the rest of the competition who all share in the pain of being dropped back on their picks. I wonder if the AFL envisaged this potential tactic when they first introduced free agency? I think that changes may be made to the system in the future because of this.

[KTigers]

According to the AFL site GWS are the first team to match a bid in nine years. Maybe he can stay at the Giants.
After all, up until about a month ago he was telling all and sundry how much he liked it in Sydney and wanted
to stay at GWS.

[Markwebbos]

I think its fascinating how teams after restricted free agents have turned the salary $ into a weapon so that they pay him just enough so that the team he is leaving does not match and receives a favourable pick as compensation. Effectively, this tactic means that the acquiring team gives up no draft picks or players just a bit more in their salary cap $.

Needless to say, the loser is the rest of the competition who all share in the pain of being dropped back on their picks. I wonder if the AFL envisaged this potential tactic when they first introduced free agency? I think that changes may be made to the system in the future because of this.

Either abolishing compensation entirely, or making the destination club pay it, might be necessary. Can anyone imagine the Saints giving up pick 2 for Brad Crouch?

[giant]

Good on GWS for matching.

I know they are meant to be our enemy, but gee, I really like the way they operate.

Hear hear - I think this a great response. And good for the competition too - this year's finalist shouldn't be picking up one of the competition's best forwards for free. (And yes I recognise that's a somewhat hypocritical stance given the Buddy deal, but we know what hell that unleashed).

[Thunder Shaker]

I was very pleased when GWS matched the offer to force a trade. I loathe free agency, it's far too unbalanced.

Geelong really bent West Coast over hard last year by asking for two first-round picks for Kelly. GWS is now going to mete out the same treatment to Geelong. Geelong's going to have to cough up two first-round picks at least to get the deal done, probably 13 and 15 to start talks.

[Ludwig]

I think its fascinating how teams after restricted free agents have turned the salary $ into a weapon so that they pay him just enough so that the team he is leaving does not match and receives a favourable pick as compensation. Effectively, this tactic means that the acquiring team gives up no draft picks or players just a bit more in their salary cap $.

Needless to say, the loser is the rest of the competition who all share in the pain of being dropped back on their picks. I wonder if the AFL envisaged this potential tactic when they first introduced free agency? I think that changes may be made to the system in the future because of this.

We sort of did the same with Tippett and Franklin, in that we offered such a big contract, no one could match it. In Tippett's case, it was to get him through every other club who could have picked him up for nothing, except his contract of course. But we really paid for it in the end, with all those trigger clauses that seemed to make his contract go on forever.

I feel we have entered an era when it's better not to be aggressive traders, but rather be opportunistic and strategic traders. Good deals will emerge for the patient.

[Melbourne_Blood]

I was very pleased when GWS matched the offer to force a trade. I loathe free agency, it's far too unbalanced.

Geelong really bent West Coast over hard last year by asking for two first-round picks for Kelly. GWS is now going to mete out the same treatment to Geelong. Geelong's going to have to cough up two first-round picks at least to get the deal done, probably 13 and 15 to start talks.

Wow good on them for Matching ! This could work in our favour if the Geelong deal involves one of their rucks, Ratugolea or Fort, plus picks!

We might then still be able to land Preuss for a future pick ( 3rd ideally, but likely 2nd round I imagine ). Maybe Ronke (for example ) to sweeten the 3rd round future pick offer?


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[barry]

So by GWS matching, it means that he's at GWS for 5 more years, and as such is a giant for life. A quirk of free agency!

[Markwebbos]

How’s about we split pick 3 with GW$ or Essendon for two first rounders. Then give one to Carlton for Charlie Curnow and keep the other one?

Or we give them pick 3 for Curnow and pick 8 or whatever it now is?

[Melbourne_Blood]

How’s about we split pick 3 with GW$ or Essendon for two first rounders. Then give one to Carlton for Charlie Curnow and keep the other one?

Or we give them pick 3 for Curnow and pick 8 or whatever it now is?

I seriously doubt Curnow is on the table, unless somethings come to light that I’ve missed ?


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