2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    According to media releases from Freo FC and Jesse Hogan, he is going to GWS. I guess he is a cheap and unreliable replacement for Cameron. They're obviously confident that the going to reach an agreement with Geelong on trading Cameron. Might be a bit awky to have to accommodate Hogan if Cameron doesn't go! I hope it doesn't hamstring them in their negotiations for compensation for losing Cameron.
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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      Originally posted by Markwebbos
      Hogan to GW$, must admit I am slightly disappointed.

      Kane Cornes' premiership clock has us closer to a premiership than the Giants, Dockers or Suns
      Not that I would place any great stock in it, but I like that he had us closer to a premiership than GWS. I would like to think that after not winning next year Geelong's clock will progress past 12 but it's just as likely it will just fall back to 10. They have been the beneficiaries of a couple of windfalls that have made their life easier: 1. Tim Kelly; and 2. That trade with GCFC that saw them give up 2019 pick 27 (or whetever) and get 2020 pick 11 in return (or whatever that's now become).

      I'm hoping that Adelaide match Saints offer for Crouch, but doesn't matter nearly as much as the compensation pick not being pick 2, which was a big deal.
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      • aardvark
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2010
        • 5685

        Charlie Gardiner on trade radio at 1.30pm Trade - AFL.com.au

        Last edited by aardvark; 2 November 2020, 12:29 PM.

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        • Captain
          Captain of the Side
          • Feb 2004
          • 3602

          I don't think this has been discussed much, but I'm keen to understand why Daniher picked the Lions over us?

          Last year he picked us, but now that's been pushed aside and he has picked the Lions. What happened?

          Did we go cold or was it from JD's side? Was it money or playing more finals? Surely these were also factors last year?

          This isn't a debate about whether he would have been worth getting or not (I'm in the pro Daniher camp) but more questioning what happened to have caused this change?

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          • aardvark
            Veterans List
            • Mar 2010
            • 5685

            Originally posted by Captain
            I don't think this has been discussed much, but I'm keen to understand why Daniher picked the Lions over us?

            Last year he picked us, but now that's been pushed aside and he has picked the Lions. What happened?

            Did we go cold or was it from JD's side? Was it money or playing more finals? Surely these were also factors last year?

            This isn't a debate about whether he would have been worth getting or not (I'm in the pro Daniher camp) but more questioning what happened to have caused this change?
            Chasing a premiership.

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              Originally posted by Captain
              I don't think this has been discussed much, but I'm keen to understand why Daniher picked the Lions over us?

              Last year he picked us, but now that's been pushed aside and he has picked the Lions. What happened?

              Did we go cold or was it from JD's side? Was it money or playing more finals? Surely these were also factors last year?

              This isn't a debate about whether he would have been worth getting or not (I'm in the pro Daniher camp) but more questioning what happened to have caused this change?
              I agree with Aardvark that's part of it. Also think the medical team at the Lions have a really good record of getting injured players playing again (McCarthy, Birchall etc). I also reckon spending time in QLD was a factor.

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              • The Big Cat
                On the veteran's list
                • Apr 2006
                • 2356

                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                I agree with Aardvark that's part of it. Also think the medical team at the Lions have a really good record of getting injured players playing again (McCarthy, Birchall etc). I also reckon spending time in QLD was a factor.
                $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Plus he probably knew (perhaps Swans told him) that pick 3 was off the table if Dodoro wanted to play hardball and force a trade.
                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                • The Big Cat
                  On the veteran's list
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2356

                  Originally posted by aardvark
                  Main take away is they are chasing ruck backup and are keen to keep pick 3 for the draft.
                  Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                  • AnsweredPrayers
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 123

                    Pick 3 is a chance to get a superstar. Doesn't come around very often. Take it with both hands. I think our academy players will slip down the list as they seem to more recent times. Blakey went at 10 when he was expected to be top 5. That said, maybe 10 was about right as he hasn't set the world on fire.

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                    • Bloody Hell
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 3085

                      Originally posted by The Big Cat
                      Main take away is they are chasing ruck backup and are keen to keep pick 3 for the draft.
                      Good - glad there's no silly talk about trading Pick 3. Particularly considering confirmation of Adelaide's compo pick.
                      The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Originally posted by AnsweredPrayers
                        Pick 3 is a chance to get a superstar. Doesn't come around very often. Take it with both hands. I think our academy players will slip down the list as they seem to more recent times. Blakey went at 10 when he was expected to be top 5. That said, maybe 10 was about right as he hasn't set the world on fire.
                        But Blakey does things almost every game that make you go "wow", he will grow into a top liner IMO, just needs to mature and for us to settle him in his best role.

                        Hickey looking like a nearly done thing? I retract my unfair potato comments of a few pages back. Think he will relish the number one ruck position if he can snare it and should come cheap in a trade.

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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                          Good - glad there's no silly talk about trading Pick 3. Particularly considering confirmation of Adelaide's compo pick.
                          Has Adelaide's compo been officially confirmed?

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by Captain
                            I don't think this has been discussed much, but I'm keen to understand why Daniher picked the Lions over us?
                            I think we just dropped out of the race. There were always several factors playing into the value of JD. I'm not sure we really wanted JD last year, but played along, tied the JD trade to Papley, let it fall through, so in the end we kept Papley using JD as a link that didn't really have to be there. It didn't even seem like we made a play for Daniher this year.


                            I don't think we heard anything new from Charlie G on trade radio.
                            • He admitted that the Swans play their card close to the chest.
                            • He said our main trade target was to get a backup for Sinclair. I don't know if the wording was diplomatic, or we were really looking for just a backup, not a #1 ruckman.
                            • We are in the market for another key forward, but only if a good deal pops up. I guess Hogan and Cameron were not considered favourable. I think this holds for the ruckman as well. A small vote of confidence for Amartey and McLean.
                            • It seems that we are content enough to go forward with our current hand, unless the conditions suit a trade.
                            • This makes sense, as we have a young and largely untested list. We can use another year to develop and test a slew of players that didn't get an opportunity this year, in part due to COVID.

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                            • The Big Cat
                              On the veteran's list
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2356

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              [*]This makes sense, as we have a young and largely untested list. We can use another year to develop and test a slew of players that didn't get an opportunity this year, in part due to COVID.[/LIST]
                              The only ones who didn't get a game last year were the Budmeister and the Gouldmeister. The rookies who missed out have all been delisted.
                              Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                              • AB Swannie
                                Senior Player
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 1579

                                Originally posted by Captain
                                I don't think this has been discussed much, but I'm keen to understand why Daniher picked the Lions over us?

                                Last year he picked us, but now that's been pushed aside and he has picked the Lions. What happened?

                                Did we go cold or was it from JD's side? Was it money or playing more finals? Surely these were also factors last year?

                                This isn't a debate about whether he would have been worth getting or not (I'm in the pro Daniher camp) but more questioning what happened to have caused this change?
                                Given that Daniher's deal with the Lions was enough to classify him in the top 5% for dollars, I'd say it was a fair chance that the Swans didn't want to spend this sort of money. I'm also pro-Daniher but it is a risk for a bottom 4 club to be investing that much into this player but is worth the risk for the Lions if it even has the smallest possibility of being the difference between a flag or not.

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