Round 16: Blues v Swans @ Metricon

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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11339

    Originally posted by mcs
    We got reamed for the large majority of the night by the umps - I don't think anyone can argue against that. But we got a nice gimme at the end - I knew Taylor would miss though.

    As it often is the case in recent years, I really feel our style of footy - well at least that focused around being a good tackling team, is so poorly rewarded by the umpires, as incorrect disposal is dead, teams are allowed to throw the ball at will, and you have to actually it seems take 3 players on before you get called for holding the ball.
    They got a number of frees for us holding at stoppages. We got pinged early but didn't learn from it. Ruckmen did it as did taggers. I don't reckon the umpiring made any difference. I can't recall Carlton getting a free close to goal. Cripps kicked his goal from 50. In the rooms after the game you could see Longmire giving it to them. Yep, when you are 39 points in front you should never lose. Again centre clearance work lost it for us.
    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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    • goswannies
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2007
      • 3049

      Originally posted by Sandridge
      Maintain the rage, mcs! We Swans supporters should never forget what Carlton tried to do to us in the 90s.
      It all started in 1945

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      • Agent 86
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2004
        • 1689

        Originally posted by 09183305
        You’re ripping him off 50% of his disposal tally
        Haha. True. He got a late one too.

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        • mcs
          Travelling Swannie!!
          • Jul 2007
          • 8166

          Originally posted by Nico
          Problem is he is too slow. Florent should never have hand balled to him. He was around on his left foot and should have kicked it forward, but again he makes a very poor disposal decision. I don't get why Kennedy is always at centre bounces. They got back into the game in the 2nd quarter with 3 clean centre clearances for goals. 11 to 6 centre clearances in Carlton's favour and ours were rubbish. Puts so much pressure on our backs but also gives very poor feed to our forwards.

          Also, on a wet day your forwards should play in front but our blokes appeared to always be behind.
          In the role he is playing currently, I agree - but I do think he still has a huge role to play over the next couple of season. Bolton was slower then me by the time he finished (and I'm pretty slow) hahaha but he still contributed right till the end - including some time in the midfield, but increasingly from up forward too.

          Kennedy might just find a new lease of life if we can develop the next gen midfield to allow him to become a 3rd or 4th string midfielder as well. We really need to find a new bull though to allow that to happen, to be in there alongside Parker and Rowbottom.
          "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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          • longmile
            Crumber
            • Apr 2011
            • 3366

            Also I'm Kennedy's no.1 fanboy, but I think the game has gone past him this year. Very sad to say

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            • Doctor J.
              Senior Player
              • Feb 2003
              • 1310

              Originally posted by MattW
              I'm generally positive given who we have out, who we are getting games into, and the experience of games like this. There's a number of dudes in that team who won't be in our best 22 next year and the younger ones who will are going ok.

              But FFS, no more Sinclair - please! Dude's a lumbering free kick against. When he gets it, it's a turnover. What's the @@@@ing point. He gets beaten in the air and around the ground every week. Start Aliir in there or play Amartey. Man.
              We were getting smashed out of the middle in the last half of the 2nd qtr because Sinclair offers us nothing, so Longmire has to swing Aliir into the ruck and put (or hide) Sinclair down forward, weakening our backline and throwing our fwd line out of whack. Sinclair became the focal point in attack, why I don't know and McLean and Reid were now lost in the fwd line. Sinclair is a total liability, he's not a ruckman and is not a forward, there is no position for him in the team.

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                Originally posted by Faunac8
                You are an absolute champion troll
                How is that trolling?. We were 7 goals up, FFS. And they only scored 8 in total!

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                • Agent 86
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1689

                  Originally posted by barry
                  I wouldn't be taking much comfort by searching for teams more insipid than us.
                  A "choke" technically, is when you give up a very strong lead, and lose. This is. Choke. And Carlton are rubbish.
                  Chokes generally happen faster than what we saw tonight. This was more like slow-motion asphyxiation.

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                  • mcs
                    Travelling Swannie!!
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 8166

                    Originally posted by Nico
                    They got a number of frees for us holding at stoppages. We got pinged early but didn't learn from it. Ruckmen did it as did taggers. I don't reckon the umpiring made any difference. I can't recall Carlton getting a free close to goal. Cripps kicked his goal from 50. In the rooms after the game you could see Longmire giving it to them. Yep, when you are 39 points in front you should never lose. Again centre clearance work lost it for us.
                    Again, my complaint is not around those frees Nico - though there were some laughable decisions thrown along the way both ways. Its the amount (and this is a general complaint) of frees that should be there that aren't given - our style of footy is punished badly by that approach which dominates the game now of anything 'goes' in terms of incorrect disposals and good tackles not being rewarded. I felt the umpires had a serious role in getting them back into the game in the second quarter with those late few goals - at least 2 of them I remember had dreadful calls in the lead up to them.

                    But you are right, you shouldn't lose from that far in front, and our centre clearance work was shocking in the 2nd half. But I don't think we helped ourselves in terms of going in unchanged too - given how leggy we got in the third, it was amazing we were still in it up till the end. A decent side would of probably done us by 4 or 5 goals.

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                    Originally posted by goswannies
                    It all started in 1945
                    Bit before my time, but it sounds like they were arseholes that day too.

                    Just @@@@ carlton.... hope they never win another flag, along with the rest of the teams
                    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                    • dimelb
                      pr. dim-melb; m not f
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 6889

                      Originally posted by Nico
                      They got a number of frees for us holding at stoppages. We got pinged early but didn't learn from it. Ruckmen did it as did taggers. I don't reckon the umpiring made any difference. I can't recall Carlton getting a free close to goal. Cripps kicked his goal from 50. In the rooms after the game you could see Longmire giving it to them. Yep, when you are 39 points in front you should never lose. Again centre clearance work lost it for us.
                      I agree about the umpires and there were two incidents that struck me. The first was a mark taken by a Carlton well inside their forward 50 and not given; the second was a holding gimmee to us which should have gone the other way. And overall after the first quarter Carlton handled the ball much more constructively whether kicking or running it out of the melee.
                      Throwing is a real issue. Either we join in or the umps clamp down: we need to practise on it.
                      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                      • Faunac8
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 1548

                        Originally posted by troyjones2525
                        You should never lose a game from being 7 goals up! I don't care how much territory and possession they have!

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                        I know the style of games were different back then and it was us chasing but when we had Tony Lockett I never used to doubt the Swans unless it was more than a goal a minute against us required to win. I seem to remember we won a few from almost that far back . Maybe the footy gods are squaring the ledger ?

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                        • Faunac8
                          Senior Player
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 1548

                          As per Wikipedia
                          In sports, choking is the failure of a sportsperson or team in a game in a situation where maintaining their performance is highly important. This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win, or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event
                          So in this case we weren’t heavily favoured and we didn’t have a large lead late in the game soooooo maybe they just started well and couldn’t go with it ? Or Carlton played poorly initially?
                          Just maybe it wasn’t really a choke simply just being beaten?

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                          • Sandridge
                            Outer wing, Lake Oval
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2078

                            Originally posted by mcs
                            I have a long memory. Given our history, I am unlikely to live long enough to see us win another three flags (god I hope I do - just seeing 2 makes me so lucky already) - but if I do, I wouldn't be unhappy if one was in a smashing of the wees and poos, another in a umpire assisted thrashing of the fairypuppies, and another in which we drub the scum that is carlton. Can not stand them or their fans - long may they continue to be a nothing mid tier team like they are now. They are no closer imho to a flag now then they were a decade ago...

                            And what they did in the 90s means they can never be forgiven for mine.... papers marked as scum for all eternity. @@@@ them!!!!
                            I remember our darkest days in the 90s when it was touch and go whether our club would survive. I would wake up in the morning and turn on the radio to hear if my club still existed. In those dark days, Carlton was waiting for us to die and was making plans to move into the Sydney market after we'd become extinct. It's a club with no morals, no integrity. I, too, am loving they're extended stretch of mediocrity. Long may it continue!

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                            • Nico
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11339

                              Originally posted by Faunac8
                              As per Wikipedia
                              In sports, choking is the failure of a sportsperson or team in a game in a situation where maintaining their performance is highly important. This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win, or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event
                              So in this case we weren’t heavily favoured and we didn’t have a large lead late in the game soooooo maybe they just started well and couldn’t go with it ? Or Carlton played poorly initially?
                              Just maybe it wasn’t really a choke simply just being beaten?
                              Could the Taylor miss be termed a choke?
                              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                              • jono2707
                                Goes up to 11
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 3326

                                Originally posted by Faunac8
                                As per Wikipedia
                                In sports, choking is the failure of a sportsperson or team in a game in a situation where maintaining their performance is highly important. This can occur in a game or tournament that they are strongly favored to win, or in an instance where they have a large lead that they squander in the late stages of the event
                                So in this case we weren’t heavily favoured and we didn’t have a large lead late in the game soooooo maybe they just started well and couldn’t go with it ? Or Carlton played poorly initially?
                                Just maybe it wasn’t really a choke simply just being beaten?
                                Don't feed the troll. I've found ignoring is the better option.

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