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Heard Charlie Gardner say they offered Dawson some serious money to stay but he refused. Good to see they are playing hardball with Adelaide or Port if they want Dawson.
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I feel that we have an option if Hickey went down, but extra depth would be nice.
But if Tom McCartin went down...Comment
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Personally I think we either bring in a ruck who can play straight away like Ladhams, or leave it another year and wait to see how some of those guys develop and make the decision then.
When you look at rucks who have moved for more opportunities and taken off at a second club, they’re mostly guys who have played a reasonable number of games already.
Jolly played about 50 games with Melbourne, even Mumford played 20 for Geelong. Nankervis played about 10 but that included a final so he had gone a fair way to proving himself.
We are screwed if Hickey gets injured and I think having someone who can genuinely split the ruck duties will keep him fresh so we can get the best out of him, possibly for a couple more years.Comment
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I'd be happy if we pick up Ladhams but only at the right price. He obviously believes he can be a number 1 ruckman if given the opportunity and has done enough to play mostly regularly when fit in a Port side that's finished top 4 the last 2 years so that's also a tick in my book.
Hopefully Dawson can be persuaded to join Port Adelaide and it would make things much more simpler.
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Agreed on Port. If we somehow can bring them into the equation then we get a bidding war which is likely to yield the best result for us. It will be a tough one though. His agent will insist that he wants to go the Crows and their $ are likely to be better than what Port can offer. Our negotiators have to exhaust every possible avenue rather than just giving into selection 23. That is way unders! He is worth a top 10 pick maybe more, but the reality is a pick in the teens is most likely where a deal will be struck given he is out of contract.Comment
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I am buoyed to read the Swans have indicated Dawson is worth a top 5 pick. My instinctive reaction to news of him wanting a trade was that it must involve pick 4, and much of the speculation in the media and in here seemed in reference to a different player.
As I think I mentioned a few times, in addition to all of his skills, he showed a champion's poise and resilience on field this year. Particularly his ability to take tough contested marks all over the field. A big game player.
If Adelaide genuinely don't think he's worth pick 4, perhaps they don't know whet they're trading for.
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dont want ladhams. did not do much in prelim. rather take toby consy in draft. let him learn from sinkers e alComment
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should read toby conwayComment
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Interesting comments from Gerard Healey: (1) JD on cusp of being AA (2) Stephens has been promised more inside midfield time in 2022.
Wantaway Swan “on the cusp of becoming an All-Australian player”Comment
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Totally agree MattW. I’ve said this all along- pick 4 is the minimum. Actually Jordan is worth a lot more, because he is a ready made elite player, potentially an AA, and no guarantee that a pick 4 can even become a regular in a year or two.
How can second rounders come close? I understand that there’s a points system that equates to various picks, but the problem with it is that it doesn’t relate to a player’s worth in reality. So you can say that a pick 4 is mathematically equivalent to picks x,y and z in so many different combinations and that’s fine. But when we’re talking about a top player I think we need to look at it in a different way. Sure, it’s very hard if not impossible to replace like with like, and unfortunately we’re not in a strong position when a player is out of contract.
The whole system needs revision as I don’t think a player should be allowed to leave a club because he wants to be closer to family after 2 years, which is the initial draft contract, unless he isn’t offered an extension or a new contract.
This will help clubs like the Suns who lose players early to Vic clubs- hence never
In the EPL, players’ contracts usually have a release clause $ amount and this acts to compensate the selling club. I’m not proposing this for our game. But if a player wants to join another club, then the “selling” club should be able to nominate either an exchange of players or the draft pick/s they would be happy with. In other words the selling club should be dictating the terms as it has put in all the effort in developing the player- as we have done with Jordan, who didn’t do much in his first few years with us.
So Jordan would be allowed to move closer to family after 6 years with us- as long as we receive either a suitable player in exchange or draft pick/s we are happy with. This would be made clear in the contract and would apply until 8 years service when Free Agency rules kick in.
Just a thought- maybe out of frustration and disappointment!Comment
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This is the draft which Dawson came to us:
Ive marked players in bold, who I think are ahead of Dawson.
That means, in a re-draft of 2015, Dawson would be about pick 10.
Player
1 Jacob Weitering
2 Josh Schache
3 Callum Mills
4 Clayton Oliver
5 Darcy Parish
6 Aaron Francis
7 Jacob Hopper
8 Callum Ah Chee
9 Sam Weideman
10 Harry McKay
11 Wayne Milera
12 Charlie Curnow
13 Matthew Kennedy
14 Eric Hipwood
15 Daniel Rioli
16 Harrison Himmelberg
17 Tom Doedee
18 Jade Gresham
19 Ryan Burton
20 Brayden Fiorini
21 Ben McKay
22 Kieran Lovell
23 David Cuningham
24 Ben Keays
25 Josh Dunkley
26 Kieran Collins
27 Darcy Tucker
28 Luke Partington
29 Alex Morgan
30 Mason Redman
31 Ryan Clarke
32 Brayden Sier
33 Mitchell Hibberd
34 Josh Schoenfeld
35 Marcus Adams
36 Tom Cole
37 Riley Bonner
38 Harley Balic
39 Rhys Mathieson
40 Brandon White
41 Matt Flynn
42 Mitch King
43 Corey Wagner
44 Blake Hardwick
45 Aidyn Johnson
46 Liam Hulett
47 Sam Skinner
48 Bailey Williams
49 Bailey Rice
50 Oleg Markov
51 Tyrone Leonardis
52 Mackenzie Willis
53 Jack Silvagni
54 Mitch Brown
55 Sam Collins
56 Jordan DawsonComment
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