2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[stevoswan]

I don’t for one minute think that Buddy’s final year is 2022. I think he got his body in great order in the last preseason. The only games he missed through injury were from a collision injury, not soft tissue.

He will build on this in this offseason and could have a better year in 2023. Some old guys just learn to manage their bodies and go on and on. Shaun Burgoin was a a great example and Christiano Ronaldo is another.

Why not Buddy. He wants to play on and I think he’s probably now working harder than any other player on the list.

After taking virtually 2 seasons off prior to this year, his body has been well rested for a possible extension of his career. I too would not be surprised if he goes another season after his contract expires.....hopefully for a hugely reduced salary!

[stevoswan]

Is there a football pundit that Red and White approves off? King, Matthew Lloyd, Roo, Silvagni, Morris and Edmund all get routinely smashed on Red and White.

Do people like Kane Cornes?

Well, if they continue to show that they know sweet FA about our club and continually display their Vic-centric ignorance, they will continue to be smashed.....and that's fair enough. Isn't it?

[NeonBible]

Hi all,

Hope everyone has been well. Been nice to escape down the coast for a few weeks while the kids were up in Mt Buller. Pleased for all the NSW folk on here who i'm sure have been longing for a taste of freedom!!

I am thrilled with the recruitment of Peter Ladhams, saddened by the departure of George, and frustrated by the loss of Dawson. So.. a mix of emotions!! But that's the trade period, isn't it?? Maybe not the ideal off season.. i don't think losing JD and having to lose George rather than overpay him were what we wanted out of a brilliant season overall, but i am surprised to see so many Swans fans calling it a failed trade period ?? In years gone by we have lost high quality talent and had nothing come back.. maybe i am optimistic but i have a strong feeling Ladhams will hit the ground running with his second chance. & under Dean Cox of all coaches?? What could be better! So yes disheartening to again be losing talented players, but refreshing to finally be bringing some younger exciting talent through the door too!

With our draft hand, i hope we go for the best tall available.. it seems the WA group is very strong this year.. Is this true?? Any draft watchers out there??

Another minor observation.. Gardiner was asked who he saw replacing Hewett, a solid player known for his defensive and disciplined roles.. His answers? Stephens, Juzzy, The Chad, and Braeden Campbell! All attacking mids.. certainly not the kind JL would be giving "roles" to.. maybe a sign of the times.. the midfield is changing.. be quick, skilful and know how to find the footy, or get out of our way! The rebuild is on. Exciting times ahead! Can't wait to see it all come together! Bring on pre-season already !!

CHEER CHEER

[stevoswan]

So what's the situation with the remaining out of contract Swans? When do we have to finalise delistings by?

As I understand it Ronke, O'Connor, Clarke, Bell, Wicks and Reid are all out of contract. There was some talk of Bell's contract being extended through a trigger clause but no one has confirmed and there was chat that Wicks was close to signing a 2 new yr deal.

You'd think with Hewett gone, Clarke may get a new deal as depth (esp if Bell goes). Reid could be out the door with Ladhams in and freeing up more salary space for us.

On a sidenote - I hope Taylor gets a shot at seniors this year.

Hopefully Taylor turns up at pre season training in absolute tip top shape to show the club that he is serious about the remainder of his career.....and not looking like he has done nothing all through the off season.

[KTigers]

BTW 4 year contract with Peter Ladhams confirmed by Charlie G

Yep, apparently he is moving out of that penthouse apartment on the beach at Glenelg into the basement studio apartment between the
laundry and the underground car park in the Coogee building (see the links that were posted a few days ago on this thread). He said
it was a bit squeezy but if he lies diagonally across the room he might be able to fit in okay.

[mcs]

Put it this way ; If it's "not right" for Jordan Dawson to leave, then it's "not right" to not give Sam Reid another year. Sure he hasn't turned into
a star and can be frustrating but he's not alone in that dept. He can play anywhere, he's tall, is a good mark and always puts in when he's out
there. He's been a pretty good "average footballer" over the years.

My take is if fully fit and playing anywhere near his best, he is still comfortably in our best 22 for mine - so I'd be astounded if we don't offer him one last chance to get the body right. He isn't going to hit the heights we all hoped when he was so good early in his career, but he could well still have more then a minor role to play for the club. And at worst, he can help develop our younger big forwards coming through - just as long as he doesn't teach them anything about kicking for goal.

It is no bigger risk then keeping Naismith around (and yes I know he is contracted) or taking a punt on Paddy Mc.

[The Big Cat]

Gardiner interview saying we're targeting mids

No he didn't. He said that KB and SD are the recruiting people and they will decide whether to take the best available or someone to fill a need.

[mcs]

Yep, apparently he is moving out of that penthouse apartment on the beach at Glenelg into the basement studio apartment between the
laundry and the underground car park in the Coogee building (see the links that were posted a few days ago on this thread). He said
it was a bit squeezy but if he lies diagonally across the room he might be able to fit in okay.

Plenty of space then by the sounds of it.

[stevoswan]

sorry i made a dmistake we did add a future 2nd rder to ladhams deal. makes me feel stronger that we got screwed. Now what haapens to amerty ,mcclean and reid who has been a loyal servant.

No, it was a future third rounder, basically a junk pick. We slid only four places in the draft and got a half decent player that could improve a lot with a ruck coach (Port did not have one). IMO, we won that deal. As far as Amartey and McLean go, they have new deals, it's up to them to prove themselves. Competition for spots is always a good thing. As for Reid, does it matter? He can't stay on the park for all his loyalty. Harsh but true....

[Roadrunner]

I assume that Norf did not tell anyone (including us) as to their intentions regarding Dawson should he have walked to the PSD. It would be an interesting thing to know whether we tried to speak to them about him? I would imagine its a form of draft tampering to do that, so they would not admit it publicly, even if they did. Imagine the conversation: "Adelaide ares screwing us over on Dawson. We are seriously considering walking him to the PSD as long as you guys are going to make a play for him. What's your situation regarding this possibility?"

There was never a point in walk him to the PSD April, irrespective of Norf’s intentions, as this could only have been used as a threat and not a very good one at that, as the Crows knew full well that in such a case we would receive diddly squat KB and his team are not stupid. The way the PSD is structured at the moment is useless in cases like this, and needs reform as many on here have pointed out.

We got the best deal we could get from a club who knew we had to bend over due to Jordan’s conduct. We held no cards to play in reality so the first rounder from the Dees for 2022 could prove useful, especially if they slide a bit!

[Markwebbos]

No he didn't. He said that KB and SD are the recruiting people and they will decide whether to take the best available or someone to fill a need.

He said that about KB and SD but then added "we think we'd like to continue to add to our midfield and bring in some young midfield talent. But we're not wed on any particular player at the moment ..."

He also said McLean and Amartey would be focussing more on their forward craft in 2022

[dejavoodoo44]

My take is if fully fit and playing anywhere near his best, he is still comfortably in our best 22 for mine - so I'd be astounded if we don't offer him one last chance to get the body right. He isn't going to hit the heights we all hoped when he was so good early in his career, but he could well still have more then a minor role to play for the club. And at worst, he can help develop our younger big forwards coming through - just as long as he doesn't teach them anything about kicking for goal.

It is no bigger risk then keeping Naismith around (and yes I know he is contracted) or taking a punt on Paddy Mc.

Ahh, I doesn't seem that long ago, when us Swans fans were wondering who was the most promising: Sam Reid or Jesse White.

And on Reid, for a while I've had the hunch, that we would make a further mockery of the rookie list, by placing one of our few remaining premiership players on it. That still seems likely to me. Perhaps too good to throw away, perhaps to injury prone for a regular contract?

[KTigers]

Charlie Gardiner Press Conference - 14 October, 2021

Gardiner is good. Sure, it's tempting sometimes to throw all of your toys out of the cot, but where does that get you in the end?
Just with a bunch of broken toys lying on the ground.

[Meg]

Gardiner is good. Sure, it's tempting sometimes to throw all of your toys out of the cot, but where does that get you in the end?
Just with a bunch of broken toys lying on the ground.

I too was impressed with that Gardiner interview. Sure he doesn’t have a sparkling speaking style but who cares? I thought he was measured in his responses but also remarkably forthright, gave a pretty good insight into the club’s thinking during the trade period.

[Meg]

There’s an interview with he who shall not be named about his move home

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