2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I'd argue he showed in one season he is.

If you look at our midfield vs Melbourne, we don't stack up too badly on potential but a way to go on performance. I'll leave Kennedy out of this, because despite being the greatest contested/clearance player of the 2010s, it's about looking ahead.

You'd say:

Mills = Oliver
Parker > Viney
Rowbottom could develop into a Harmes-level/type player
McInerney will equal and probably surpass Langdon.
Campbell *could* be Salem level, and who knows, better
Chad's got the explosive potential to be an inferior Petracca - which is still an awesome player, so please don't start an argument there or take it as an insult.
A fit Heeney > Brayshaw
Gulden will be a better high half forward/mid than anyone Melbourne has, though they have very good role players like Neal-Bullen and Sparrow.
Then you have Stephens and Florent vs Rivers and Jordan. Melbourne wins that on performance to date.

Now, as I said, that's an attempted mix of current performance and projected potential, and it'll be performance that pays. Where we are weak is ruck. Amarty is a poor man's Jackson, and no offence to Hick, but he ain't no Max Gawn.

That is also a long way of also getting to: let's go get KPPs.

Agree about defence, and the two rucks, but I think the offensive capability of Melbourne's forward line is not all that (they play three small pressure forwards). Buddy, Heeney and Paps are a match for what Melbourne's got.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Agree about defence, and the two rucks, but I think the offensive capability of Melbourne's forward line is not all that (they play three small pressure forwards). Buddy, Heeney and Paps are a match for what Melbourne's got.

Forward line is interesting. Buddy is well ahead, but we've only got him for one more season (maybe).

You could then argue, if Heeney is forward, he's equal to Fritsch (though that was one hell of a GF) as just a forward, but with broader range up field. If Heeney is more mid, Hayward is a poor man's Fritsch.

Papley beats their small forwards.

Amarty is a poor man's Jackson as second ruck/fwd, and McLean is a poor man's Brown.

McDonald, ours, has potential to be far better than their McDonald, but a long way to go.

Wicks and Spargo on par for now.

Again, back to same conclusion: more KPP talent please.

EDIT AND PS: For those who have seen Sheather, what's he project as?

[TheBloods]

I'd argue he showed in one season he is.

If you look at our midfield vs Melbourne, we don't stack up too badly on potential but a way to go on performance. I'll leave Kennedy out of this, because despite being the greatest contested/clearance player of the 2010s, it's about looking ahead.

You'd say:

Mills = Oliver
Parker > Viney
Rowbottom could develop into a Harmes-level/type player
McInerney will equal and probably surpass Langdon.
Campbell *could* be Salem level, and who knows, better
Chad's got the explosive potential to be an inferior Petracca - which is still an awesome player, so please don't start an argument there or take it as an insult.
A fit Heeney > Brayshaw
Gulden will be a better high half forward/mid than anyone Melbourne has, though they have very good role players like Neal-Bullen and Sparrow.
Then you have Stephens and Florent vs Rivers and Jordan. Melbourne wins that on performance to date.

Now, as I said, that's an attempted mix of current performance and projected potential, and it'll be performance that pays. Where we are weak is ruck. Amarty is a poor man's Jackson, and no offence to Hick, but he ain't no Max Gawn.

That is also a long way of also getting to: let's go get KPPs.

Who cares what melbourne did

Their midfield is very different to richmond who won the 3 flags before it and you can bet the next team to win a flag will have a different set up entirely No one beats the reigning premiers at their own game , they always beat them with a game of their own that the reigning premiers aren't prepared for ! . There is no right way to have a midfield . We need to shape the midfield around the weapons we have . They will be :

Mills, Chad, Jmac, Gulden, Florent, Campbell , Stephens ???

For the sake of this im not including Parker because by the time all of the above are in the mids he 'll be in his 30s and probably playing more fwd or wing .

Mills should be inside , the one at the coalface and the bottom of the pack winning the hard ball , doesnt need to be pretty , but hes got enormous strength , bloody brute and he is big bodied too and hard to tackle .

He will get it to the explosive two , Chad and Campbell .. these are strong boys who are built like short stocky units , (once Campbell puts some muscle on he will have a similar shape to Chad ) , these boys will be the ones we will want winning it in congestion and then breaking away from congestion with speed and power .They will be our best hopes of seeing clean centre breaks and goals on the run from those centre breaks , like we saw with Chad at the G against the Tigers .

We will then have Jmac and Gulden work from the inside to the outside to get the handball receive , they are fast with great tanks so can work their way into the clear and use the space . You watch every time one of Chad or Campbell get an inside 50 on the run , you will see one of Jmac or Gulden waiting in the wings for the handball just in case . Melbourne dont have this , they had Harmes and Brayshaw playing that role waiting on the outside to get the receive but they arent as quick or as great kicks as Chad and particularly Campbell are .

Florent and Stephens make up the depth . Ive not seen enough from Florent to say he 'll be a sure thing , and we know that Stephens isnt yet as he did little this year, but they both have the inside /outside game to suit the above set up if they can pull their fingers out .

Not being a know it all , just giving my view on what i would do with the players we have at our disposal . We 've gone to the draft how many times now and built our midfield through it , so we obviously have a plan to bring them all together and make it work . The above is just the best way i see that working , keen to hear others thoughts , not being a know it all or trying to say im right

[Ludwig]

We need to shape the midfield around the weapons we have . They will be :

Mills, Chad, Jmac, Gulden, Florent, Campbell , Stephens ???

Glad to see that you found a spot for ??? in our midfield. We're making progress.

[gloveski]

Who cares what melbourne did

Their midfield is very different to richmond who won the 3 flags before it and you can bet the next team to win a flag will have a different set up entirely No one beats the reigning premiers at their own game , they always beat them with a game of their own that the reigning premiers aren't prepared for ! . There is no right way to have a midfield . We need to shape the midfield around the weapons we have . They will be :

Mills, Chad, Jmac, Gulden, Florent, Campbell , Stephens ???

For the sake of this im not including Parker because by the time all of the above are in the mids he 'll be in his 30s and probably playing more fwd or wing .

Mills should be inside , the one at the coalface and the bottom of the pack winning the hard ball , doesnt need to be pretty , but hes got enormous strength , bloody brute and he is big bodied too and hard to tackle .

He will get it to the explosive two , Chad and Campbell .. these are strong boys who are built like short stocky units , (once Campbell puts some muscle on he will have a similar shape to Chad ) , these boys will be the ones we will want winning it in congestion and then breaking away from congestion with speed and power .They will be our best hopes of seeing clean centre breaks and goals on the run from those centre breaks , like we saw with Chad at the G against the Tigers .

We will then have Jmac and Gulden work from the inside to the outside to get the handball receive , they are fast with great tanks so can work their way into the clear and use the space . You watch every time one of Chad or Campbell get an inside 50 on the run , you will see one of Jmac or Gulden waiting in the wings for the handball just in case . Melbourne dont have this , they had Harmes and Brayshaw playing that role waiting on the outside to get the receive but they arent as quick or as great kicks as Chad and particularly Campbell are .

Florent and Stephens make up the depth . Ive not seen enough from Florent to say he 'll be a sure thing , and we know that Stephens isnt yet as he did little this year, but they both have the inside /outside game to suit the above set up if they can pull their fingers out .

Not being a know it all , just giving my view on what i would do with the players we have at our disposal . We 've gone to the draft how many times now and built our midfield through it , so we obviously have a plan to bring them all together and make it work . The above is just the best way i see that working , keen to hear others thoughts , not being a know it all or trying to say im right

Nice summary TB


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[Blood Fever]

Please sir, I want some more.

Enjoyed the Dickens reference!

[Foreign Legion]

Thinking about the price for JD, the talk is that Cerra will go for pick 6 and another pick. Even Clark who isn’t getting a game they are talking a pick in the early 20s.

No way does pick 23 get it done for JD.

This is clearly way over the top but if Carlton pay that then we don't have much to get back for Hewett!

Its crazy Dawson finished 3rd in the B&F but the Melbourne media think Dawson is a 'good ordinary player'

[Markwebbos]

This is clearly way over the top but if Carlton pay that then we don't have much to get back for Hewett!

Its crazy Dawson finished 3rd in the B&F but the Melbourne media think Dawson is a 'good ordinary player'

George is a FA so the compo comes from the AFL

[The Runner]

Re: Sheather. Think of him as an addition to Wicks as a pressure forward, who can then start to develop attacking skills. He may evolve in to more, but at the moment that's how he's being shaped.
Similar to Wicks, he can stick a tackle. Even though he was one of the youngest in the VFL team, he was an intimidating physical presence already.

[gloveski]

Re: Sheather. Think of him as an addition to Wicks as a pressure forward, who can then start to develop attacking skills. He may evolve in to more, but at the moment that's how he's being shaped.
Similar to Wicks, he can stick a tackle. Even though he was one of the youngest in the VFL team, he was an intimidating physical presence already.

The couple of games I watched he seemed to be everywhere. But then when you checked the stats they were nothing to write home about . But man did he add some pressure around the ball


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[Aprilbr]

Bye bye George:

"Sydney free agent George Hewett will get to Carlton as early as Friday when free agency opens with the Swans certain to allow him to get to the Blues with free passage.
His four-year deal at around $450,000 would likely only secure third-round free agency compensation for Sydney."

Herald-Sun

[Faunac8]

All the best to George for the future as many have pointed out he probably doesn’t fit our future plans but he has been more than serviceable for us over the last 7 years . Until last year he was a reliable and durable player for us rarely missing games.
Possibly the most famous name to ever come from Port Broughton that contract should allow him to purchase plenty of real estate back home.

[i'm-uninformed2]

The couple of games I watched he seemed to be everywhere. But then when you checked the stats they were nothing to write home about . But man did he add some pressure around the ball


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Much appreciated to you and The Runner for feedback on him. Good to hear, and hope he kicks on.

[Scottee]

Re: Sheather. Think of him as an addition to Wicks as a pressure forward, who can then start to develop attacking skills. He may evolve in to more, but at the moment that's how he's being shaped.
Similar to Wicks, he can stick a tackle. Even though he was one of the youngest in the VFL team, he was an intimidating physical presence already.

I see Sheather as a potential high impact midfielder.He is very quick (2.9 seconds for the 20m) but also has a high top speed, a strong tackle, good skills and good awareness. He was the hidden gem of the draft for us imo.

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[Bexl]

I see Sheather as a potential high impact midfielder.He is very quick (2.9 seconds for the 20m) but also has a high top speed, a strong tackle, good skills and good awareness. He was the hidden gem of the draft for us imo.

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