2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

Parley makes something out of nothing. Wicks makes nothing out of something.

The second sentence might be a little strong, but I agree that the gulf between their contribution to winning is far greater than two possessions and straight kicking.

For a start, Tom had more than twice the number of goals, shots on goal and goal assists than Sam and 50% more score involvements. Tom kick-starts our offence and is a clutch goal scorer.

Not to say Sam doesn't play an important role, but Tom's in our top 5-6 players.

[TheBloods]

Big statement from the club getting rid of Hewett . They are saying to Chad that they have faith in him to step up to the plate fill the void left by Hewett . Worked last yr we traded Aliir and backed Mccartin in to handle the responsibility . We 'll see if Chad handles it as well as Mccartin did , but guess he has got some help with Parker Mills and Jpk . I reckon he can do it . Like the balls to back the young guns in by the club

[AppleCore]

Big statement from the club getting rid of Hewett . They are saying to Chad that they have faith in him to step up to the plate fill the void left by Hewett . Worked last yr we traded Aliir and backed Mccartin in to handle the responsibility . We 'll see if Chad handles it as well as Mccartin did , but guess he has got some help with Parker Mills and Jpk . I reckon he can do it . Like the balls to back the young guns in by the club

Try substituting "Rowbottom" for "Chad".

[barracuda]

Parley makes something out of nothing. Wicks makes nothing out of something.

That comment is just wrong.

[KTigers]

No player should feel bound to a club in todays environment any more than any other employee feels towards their employer. In that sense, often that loyalty is tested by the situation you are personally in as well as the boss at the time.

If Dawson now has an ability to go home to Adelaide for more money , good luck to him, if I was from Adelaide and someone in my industry offerred me more money to come back home I would probably take it as well. Cheaper standard of living , family and friends in closer proximity - no brainer really.

We like to think football clubs are a "family" but to be honest from what Ive seen , thats a narrative created by the clubs to endear a sense of loyalty to them. Ive seen businesses in other industries do it and most of the time its quite frankly nonsense and used to create a feeling that your special and being looked after when the realty is that you probably are not.

Agree. Have you noticed how employees at many companies are now called "team members"? What a load of BS. We are "members" at the
Swans as long as they have our credit card payments. At least at my golf club they know my name. I never get too worked up about players
leaving. I don't know them, they don't know me. They are adults (mostly). They should do what they want. It's a free country (mostly).
Hell, I'm told some people even like living in weird places like Adelaide.

[The Runner]

Adelaide's pick will be #6 once the two F/S selections are used at 1-3. What Adelaide has is secondary to what he's worth. I struggle to understand why Cerra is automatically seen as a high first round pick, and Dawson isn't. I'd be demanding a pick around 6-10 and making it Adelaide's problem to create that.

Also, for those who don't rate Wicks.. he was rated elite across the league you tackles, inside 50 tackles and pressure acts, above average for score involvements. It's amazing how underappreciated he is by his own fans.
Papley is below average or average on these stats. And that's fine, they play different roles.

[WomblingFree]

That comment is just wrong.

I agree totally. Most improved player in my book, plays his role well, a lock every week

[Aprilbr]

I agree with you on the Cera/Dawson trade comparison, The Runner. I think the difference in relative trade positions mainly reflects our weaker bargaining position. Carlton finished a couple of places higher on the ladder than the Crows. So, if we don't execute a trade with the Crows there is a greater likelihood that they could still pick him up in the PSD. Its a shame for us that Port is not his preferred choice for that reason.Cera is a couple of years younger as well which may also be a factor in the difference.

A couple of weeks back I painted a scenario of how the Dawson trade might go. We seek a top 10 pick, the Crows counter with a second rounder. A predictable stalemate between the two clubs ensues with a lot of strong rhetoric from both sides. As the clock runs down towards the trade deadline, we try to bring Port back into play by talking about trade possibilities. They are prepared to offer us up their first pick. We then go to Dawson's management and say we will trade him then and there to Port but not the Crows. The alternative is we will let him go into the PSD unless they give us their first round pick. The possibility that they might miss out on him to Port, North or Collingwood might be just enough for them to decide to trade their first rounder to us.

[WomblingFree]

I agree with you on the Cera/Dawson trade comparison, The Runner. I think the difference in relative trade positions mainly reflects our weaker bargaining position. Carlton finished a couple of places higher on the ladder than the Crows. So, if we don't execute a trade with the Crows there is a greater likelihood that they could still pick him up in the PSD. Its a shame for us that Port is not his preferred choice for that reason.Cera is a couple of years younger as well which may also be a factor in the difference.

A couple of weeks back I painted a scenario of how the Dawson trade might go. We seek a top 10 pick, the Crows counter with a second rounder. A predictable stalemate between the two clubs ensues with a lot of strong rhetoric from both sides. As the clock runs down towards the trade deadline, we try to bring Port back into play by talking about trade possibilities. They are prepared to offer us up their first pick. We then go to Dawson's management and say we will trade him then and there to Port but not the Crows. The alternative is we will let him go into the PSD unless they give us their first round pick. The possibility that they might miss out on him to Port, North or Collingwood might be just enough for them to decide to trade their first rounder to us.

No way will pick 4 be included in any trade but I guess Adelaide could trade up their second pick and make it attractive, possibly with Port.

As long as Adelaide are not unreasonable then the deal will get done

[Roadrunner]

Agree. Have you noticed how employees at many companies are now called "team members"? What a load of BS. We are "members" at the
Swans as long as they have our credit card payments. At least at my golf club they know my name. I never get too worked up about players
leaving. I don't know them, they don't know me. They are adults (mostly). They should do what they want. It's a free country (mostly).
Hell, I'm told some people even like living in weird places like Adelaide.

KTigers, you don’t really mean that- we are all passionate about our team otherwise we wouldn’t be here! We want our team to be successful and to achieve that, we need above average players. So when a “team member” who is very talented and important to the team decides to leave, we feel the loss. No way can this be sugar coated- we will miss Jordan. Can we cover the loss? I think so, but of course we would prefer if he was still with us.

Players do need to look to their own best interests, but they are not employees exactly like those of us in jobs, nor is the club your typical employer. There is a lot more emotion involved and team spirit is absolutely crucial as without it a club can’t and won’t succeed. But it is also a business and so there are rules that must be followed, and unfortunately this leads to tough decisions for both players and clubs.

I can understand Jordan wanting to be closer to family and perhaps earn a few dollars more. However, going to the Crows, instead of staying with us for another 2 years and chasing a flag, which every footballer yearns for, is strange.
If the Adelaide offer is nowhere near satisfactory, I would let him go to the draft- he may then reconsider his position.

[Aprilbr]

No way will pick 4 be included in any trade but I guess Adelaide could trade up their second pick and make it attractive, possibly with Port.

As long as Adelaide are not unreasonable then the deal will get done

Agreed, WomblingFree. I do not see the No. 4 coming our way. I was thinking a late first round pick would be where its most likely to go.

[111431]

Adelaide's pick will be #6 once the two F/S selections are used at 1-3. What Adelaide has is secondary to what he's worth. I struggle to understand why Cerra is automatically seen as a high first round pick, and Dawson isn't. I'd be demanding a pick around 6-10 and making it Adelaide's problem to create that.

Also, for those who don't rate Wicks.. he was rated elite across the league you tackles, inside 50 tackles and pressure acts, above average for score involvements. It's amazing how underappreciated he is by his own fans.
Papley is below average or average on these stats. And that's fine, they play different roles.

I'm pleased someone else can see the difference in roles

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No way will pick 4 be included in any trade but I guess Adelaide could trade up their second pick and make it attractive, possibly with Port.

As long as Adelaide are not unreasonable then the deal will get done

Adelaide will want their first rounder for the midfielder from Adelaide in the draft who is pretty highly rated and is already playing SANFL. Maybe they will need to find another first rounder from somewhere

[RogueSwan]

Adelaide's pick will be #6 once the two F/S selections are used at 1-3. What Adelaide has is secondary to what he's worth. I struggle to understand why Cerra is automatically seen as a high first round pick, and Dawson isn't. I'd be demanding a pick around 6-10 and making it Adelaide's problem to create that.

Also, for those who don't rate Wicks.. he was rated elite across the league you tackles, inside 50 tackles and pressure acts, above average for score involvements. It's amazing how underappreciated he is by his own fans.
Papley is below average or average on these stats. And that's fine, they play different roles.

A bit of fact checking for Papley
Tackles - below average
I50 tackles - above average
pressure acts - average
score involvements - elite

source

On another note, it is annoying to see, that according these ratings Dawson was our second best player this year.

[Roadrunner]

Adelaide's pick will be #6 once the two F/S selections are used at 1-3. What Adelaide has is secondary to what he's worth. I struggle to understand why Cerra is automatically seen as a high first round pick, and Dawson isn't. I'd be demanding a pick around 6-10 and making it Adelaide's problem to create that.

Also, for those who don't rate Wicks.. he was rated elite across the league you tackles, inside 50 tackles and pressure acts, above average for score involvements. It's amazing how underappreciated he is by his own fans.
Papley is below average or average on these stats. And that's fine, they play different roles.

Sorry mate, can’t agree on Wicks. You can bring some statistics to support your view, but if you look at his games early in the season you will see that he was a more valuable player then. His game against the Lions in round 1 was great- towards the latter part of the season he was so similar to Bell and Ronke that you could have played any one of them with the same poor result. I don’t under appreciate him- I just want him to play to his obvious abilities. Please don’t give me this pressure nonsense as a few tackles here and there don’t make a reasonable team contribution. And he gave away a lot of frees.

He kept being picked as the coaches hoped he would recapture his early season form, but I would have sent him back to the ressies- he was a passenger in too many games as far as I’m concerned. A higher standard is required if we are to win a flag and unless he can impact a bit more, he doesn’t deserve a spot in the team.

[Markwebbos]

Crows aren't going to get their hands on Jason Horne-Francis I don't think...

Last year GW$ thought that the Crows were completely unreasonable with the Jackson Hately (non) "deal". There was even talk of GW$ "payback" by bidding on Crows academy players. I think that GW$ made a formal complaint to the AFL.

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Adelaide tried to trade pick 40 for GWS midfielder Jackson Hately but discussions fell through. Giants football boss Jason McCartney criticised the Crows for their offer, saying clubs had to do what was right for themselves but should do it in a “respectful manner”and pick 40 was “far off the mark”. Hately had been pick 14

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Ricciuto had said: "If GWS don't play ball, we can get him for nothing in the pre-season draft"