2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[waswan]

The one thing holding Florent back from becoming a good player is his kicking into the forward line. His general field kicking is okay. I don't know why he makes such poor decisions at critical moments. Usually players become more composed and make better decisions as they gain experience and hope that it won't be long before the penny drops for him. I wonder if our coaches have been working with him on it.

Ollie is a finisher, he has been playing inside with our younger guys playing outside, he is fine.
Parks and Mills being out didnt help him as he had to be even more of an inside player.

[Aaron]

That may well be true, but it leaves 2 questions unanswered:

1. Where does Footywire get the data to know who is in the top 25%?
2. How are uncontracted players calculated for projected years, e.g. is George Hewett included as a top 25 % player for the 2023 Melican RFA status?

Actually, the projected FA status of a player is a very complicated affair and impossible to determine without knowing both the contract amounts and the rules of calculation.

I've been using the Footwire contract information as sacroiliac*, but I think I'll have to reconsider.

* Don't want to upset barry.

Footywire may be accurate for Statistics but I think their information on players' contracts are not as good. They still have 10 Rookies listed for the Swans this year including Bell and Amartey ? Sometimes, we have to blame the Swans for not being very upfront in clarifying these information. We never seen a proper announcement of their upgrade to the senior list and we found out very late that Papley had actually triggered contract extension much earlier before lots of media coverage about Tom's request to go to Carlton.

Anyway Footwire says" The statistics on this website are based on the official AFL statistics. Note, however, that we cannot make any guarantees on the accuracy of the data provided." at this site.

[Ludwig]

I think that only works in reverse (ie. you have to first be under, and then you can spend the amount you ‘saved’ in subsequent years). Designed for bottom teams so they don’t overpay an ordinary list just to spend their cap, and then (in theory) helps them in subsequent years attract top players by having more money to spend as they get more competitive.

Pretty sure the 5% (if that’s the figure) is the minimum you have to underspend (so you don’t bank every single dollar you underspend - it has to be a significant amount to qualify).

Yes. This sounds more correct than what I originally thought. Thanks.

[Ludwig]

Footywire may be accurate for Statistics but I think their information on players' contracts are not as good. They still have 10 Rookies listed for the Swans this year including Bell and Amartey ? Sometimes, we have to blame the Swans for not being very upfront in clarifying these information. We never seen a proper announcement of their upgrade to the senior list and we found out very late that Papley had actually triggered contract extension much earlier before lots of media coverage about Tom's request to go to Carlton.

Anyway Footwire says" The statistics on this website are based on the official AFL statistics. Note, however, that we cannot make any guarantees on the accuracy of the data provided." at this site.

So in the end we are back to guesswork. Nothing can be relied upon for accuracy and the journos spread rumours.

It's hard to form an opinion when you don't have the facts (although this doesn't bother some folks). We will just have to see what transpires. It's also hard to judge if our management is doing a good job or not. They have the facts, but only share with us what they want us to hear. It's not a great situation for the fans who want more openness from the club.

[Captain]

Ollie is a finisher, he has been playing inside with our younger guys playing outside, he is fine.
Parks and Mills being out didnt help him as he had to be even more of an inside player.

How can he be a finisher when he is such a poor kick? I agree that’s the position he is in the team for but don’t believe he is all that great at it.

Parker played, think you mean Kennedy? Not sure how players out caused Florent to butcher the ball?

[TheBloods]

Only thing Florent finishes are our chances of winning close games , Dockers game comes to mind

[waswan]

Meant Kennedy

He is fine, wont break the bank and would warrant a 2nd round pick at best that is guess work and noy in the 22

Ollie is still what 24 ?
Wrong time to trade out

Also I cant see how we are having massive salary issues.

Look at most other teams above 12th and tell me they wouldnt have the same concerns.

The salary cap going forward is the issue, Parker will deservedly get his 4 yrs, Dawson will get his and Hewitt deserves to stay.

Hoping we keep Stephens as I believe we wont get much via trade and is still raw, 2 more yrs is worth it

Look at the few that are veterens in the ressies that wont be there next year, not massive savings but savings nonetheless.

Reid will stay on minimum money, doubt another club would get him.

[Auntie.Gerald]

2021 is a fascinating bit of data to review

we went from from 16th and 15th in 2019 and 2020 to 6th on the ladder in 2021

other teams that bottomed out like say Saint Kilda in recent years went from bottom to 6th in 2020 and then sank again

Geelong have remained incredibly consistent in competitiveness year after year after year but cant finish off a GF

Port have come back strong in their ladder finishing last few years surging in fact

Melbourne up down then up and then up again

Collingwood went for broke with future back ended contracts and collapsed

Doggies and Lions fighting for top spots last couple of years with very strong recruitment / squads

Richmond the benchmark for premierships last 4 years or so and then injuries caught up to them massively this year

How do you make sense of the recruitment strategies and success or missed opportunities ?

[KSAS]

Only thing Florent finishes are our chances of winning close games , Dockers game comes to mind

A St.Kilda mate of mine rates Florent and would like him at the Saints (along with all the other ex-Swans in Membury, Jones & Hanners). An example where opposition supporters sometimes rate players higher than their own.

As it currently stands, is our first pick no.12 before all the F/S & Academy bids come into the equation?

[Agent 86]

Only thing Florent finishes are our chances of winning close games , Dockers game comes to mind

That's harsh, but sort of funny at the same time.

Poor Ollie. I think we'll need more psychologists on the coaching staff after this year.

[Roadrunner]

I think injuries or lack of, is the main factor, followed by smart recruiting. Especially to key players like Buddy. Our best years were blessed with very few injuries and that meant the boys could gel and develop rhythm week in week out.

Richmond would have finished in the 8 this year if not for their injuries throughout the season- they are still a more skilful team than say the Injectors.

Hate to say it but the Fairypups have been very successful with their recruiting- they identified the need for a key forward and defender and got them. This in addition to a heap of skilful mids and then you just hope they stay healthy.

We are now in a similar position but a year or two behind, though we need at least 2 key talls to balance the team. Drafting will take 2-3 years before they can impose themselves so this leaves us with trades. Firstly, KB and co needs to identify the player/s
and then we have to fit them in the cap, which will be very difficult given we need to re-sign so many of our current players.

We need to sign Paddy for our defence, but still will need a key forward post Buddy.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Just curious what age was it when Macca went from underwhelming to a leader and seriously important creative player?

Was it 2010 after the Swannies were near bottom of the ladder in 2009?
Or was it 2011 when Macca became co captain with Goodes etc?

So if Macca is 36yrs of age now ie 1985 baby...........and 2010 was when Macca started to realise his potential he was 25yrs of age

Ollie Florent is 23yrs of age this season 2021

[waswan]

Just curious what age was it when Macca went from underwhelming to a leader and seriously important creative player?

Was it 2010 after the Swannies were near bottom of the ladder in 2009?
Or was it 2011 when Macca became co captain with Goodes etc?

So if Macca is 36yrs of age now ie 1985 baby...........and 2010 was when Macca started to realise his potential he was 25yrs of age

Ollie Florent is 23yrs of age this season 2021

Great point

[barry]

Just curious what age was it when Macca went from underwhelming to a leader and seriously important creative player?

Was it 2010 after the Swannies were near bottom of the ladder in 2009?
Or was it 2011 when Macca became co captain with Goodes etc?

So if Macca is 36yrs of age now ie 1985 baby...........and 2010 was when Macca started to realise his potential he was 25yrs of age

Ollie Florent is 23yrs of age this season 2021

Thats a really good point. All players peak at about 27. Probably 28 or 29 for ruckman for some reason.
So, as Richmond have shown, its not about how many good draft picks you have, its about having as many players as possible in their peak years at the same time.

Lesser players have a peak which kicks in at 25, and last until 30. McVeigh.
Great players start peaking at 22 and last (injury allowing) up to mid 30's. Buddy.

Even very average players like Paul Bevan, can have one peak year at 27. Combine with the others = your team is serious contender.

[gloveski]

Just curious what age was it when Macca went from underwhelming to a leader and seriously important creative player?

Was it 2010 after the Swannies were near bottom of the ladder in 2009?
Or was it 2011 when Macca became co captain with Goodes etc?

So if Macca is 36yrs of age now ie 1985 baby...........and 2010 was when Macca started to realise his potential he was 25yrs of age

Ollie Florent is 23yrs of age this season 2021

2006 was McVeigh’s breakout year . He was mainly used as a tagger . His head to head role on Cousins during the final series were amazing . Both players ran themselves into the ground .
Following years he slowly moved away from the tagging role


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