2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[KSAS]

Barrass becomes a RFA next year so i wouldn't be surprised if the club tries approaching him again. Their recent enquiry might have been to plant seed in his head, particularly given some have WC dropping out of finals contention come 2023 with their current list.

[Jimitron5000]

ALL THIS DAWSON BASHING IS BORING!

Dawson picture front page of the Adelaide Advertiser (Murdoch) this morning "Crows new Heir Jordan" and has the wholeback page of the paper to himself.

He explains that the being away from Sydney on the road for the last half of the season and Covid border restrictions were wearing him down, he got home to Robe to do his two weeks quarantine and it was during that period he made up his mind.

I feel sad and sorry that some posters want to pile vitriol on Jordan for making a decision like this. Remember, this is their job. If you were in Jordan's situation and another employer in your home state offered you more money to do the same job amid the uncertainty of Covid going forward then you'd probably move.

Clubs push out players all the time, this is just the reverse, get over it. The fact that Cows were at the pointy end of the draft is what hurt us but that's for the VFL to sort out before GC gets taken to the cleaners next year.

So how about we stop the juvenile attacks on Dawson, recognise it for what it is, and move forward.

My way of looking at this trade period is

Our 2022 third rounder will probably be in the 50's and we probably wouldn't have used it anyway so it cost us nothing

We lost Dawson and had a four pick first round slide, we gained Ladhams who is a need and upgraded a 2022 pick in the 50s to pick 18'ish. That pick will be valuable next year when I believe we may have three academy draftees?

Liz, can we make a thread just for Dawson talk, which I am so over, and revert this thread to discussion about the upcoming ND, pick swaps, DFA to target etc.

We did quite ok as a sum across both trades

I agree with that!
Covid has changed a lot of people's perspective on life and if he wants to do the same job near family, I won't begrudge him for it.
I hope he has a nice career at Adelaide, gets his regular September holiday and watches the Swans win premiership after premiership.

[Bangalore Swans]

ALL THIS DAWSON BASHING IS BORING!

Dawson picture front page of the Adelaide Advertiser (Murdoch) this morning "Crows new Heir Jordan" and has the wholeback page of the paper to himself.

He explains that the being away from Sydney on the road for the last half of the season and Covid border restrictions were wearing him down, he got home to Robe to do his two weeks quarantine and it was during that period he made up his mind.

I feel sad and sorry that some posters want to pile vitriol on Jordan for making a decision like this. Remember, this is their job. If you were in Jordan's situation and another employer in your home state offered you more money to do the same job amid the uncertainty of Covid going forward then you'd probably move.

Clubs push out players all the time, this is just the reverse, get over it. The fact that Cows were at the pointy end of the draft is what hurt us but that's for the VFL to sort out before GC gets taken to the cleaners next year.

So how about we stop the juvenile attacks on Dawson, recognise it for what it is, and move forward.

My way of looking at this trade period is

Our 2022 third rounder will probably be in the 50's and we probably wouldn't have used it anyway so it cost us nothing

We lost Dawson and had a four pick first round slide, we gained Ladhams who is a need and upgraded a 2022 pick in the 50s to pick 18'ish. That pick will be valuable next year when I believe we may have three academy draftees?

Liz, can we make a thread just for Dawson talk, which I am so over, and revert this thread to discussion about the upcoming ND, pick swaps, DFA to target etc.

We did quite ok as a sum across both trades

This is not having a go at Jordan, but he’s now limited his overseas holiday options for himself and his partner. Big Dom P is opening the international border in November with no hotel quarantine. You Beauty!!!!

South Australia is operating as a hermit kingdom with no overseas trave allowed.

Jordan and his partner will not be able to get to the Maldives for a while.

[stevoswan]

I am trying not to be too biased here but I think JD will be highly disappointed when he realises the differences between Adelaide’s young talent and our own. They’ve bombed their first round picks for a number of years (excluding possibly Thilthorpe). Adelaide need to draft really well for another two years to be remotely on our same trajectory.

Yes....he might enjoy the home life but I doubt he's going to enjoy his footy too much. He won't against us, that's for sure.....especially if it's at the SCG.

[stevoswan]

Stevo, you’ve completely misinterpreted my post. Calm down.

I was referring to the situation. If we were forced to essentially give up Dawson (3rd in out B&F!) for Ladhams, that is a terrible situation and outcome for the club. Terrible.

I wasn’t ‘kicking the club while it’s down’, I love this club - hence why I frequent this forum.

Fair enough, I might have been a bit too quick to judge your post. I think the JD situation has put us all a bit on edge.

[Markwebbos]

Barrass becomes a RFA next year so i wouldn't be surprised if the club tries approaching him again. Their recent enquiry might have been to plant seed in his head, particularly given some have WC dropping out of finals contention come 2023 with their current list.

I like your thinking. The only problem might be this: "The 99-gamer becomes a free agent in 12 months and foxfooty.com.au understands conversations have commenced to extend his contract beyond 2022."

AFL trade news, rumours, whispers 2021: Trade blog and live chat for October 6, free agency, trade period, updates, news

If he puts off signing then ...

[stevoswan]

Funny, but not funny.

But we do have to get over it. From now on it is he who must not be named.

Or be just referred to as Judas.

[AppleCore]

Why does Jordan owe the club something because he is now above average and had a good year?

If we apply your logic to this scenario then the club owes Matt Ling another contract because he worked hard and was unlucky with injuries and was below average.

Maybe Sam Reid is owed something by the club for his hard fought decade?

Jordan owes Sydney nothing and Sydney owe Sam Reid nothing. This is business and both sides play the game.

As ever, you fail to grasp the subtleties of the situation. The club's first commitment is to members and supporters and the club's over-riding duty is to produce the best TEAM possible. If they deviate from this mission (and decide, for example, that being loved by everyone is their number one goal) then the organisation moves into disarray and slowly collapses. As a result of aiming to produce the best team possible, everyone has to pull their weight and is ultimately judged by their on-field performance or their potential for such. I say "everyone" because list sizes are now quite limited. Long gone are the days when clubs might have 90 players or more on their list. This means obviously that players like Ling and Reid can no longer be carried and have to be cut for the good of the organisation as a whole.
Nevertheless, it is fallacious to think that this is all just "business" as usual. AFL is a very human endeavour and any reasonably smart club realises that it is dealing with human beings and that heartless behaviour by the club is unlikely to win it much loyalty from the players. Accordingly, players like Ling and Reid have been given some years to show their worth and either haven't performed or appear well past their best. In return for their time at the club, Ling and Reid have no doubt been handsomely compensated by the club, but such beneficence can't continue indefinitely and the club now owes it to supporters and players to cut these two from the list.
As I am sure you realise, it is ridiculous to suggest that Dawson owes the Swans nothing. Swans fans are seething because he did the wrong thing and because his departure makes it significantly more difficult for us to savour a premiership in the near future.

[barry]

This is nolt having a go at Jordan, but he’s now limited his overseas holiday options for himself and his partner. Big Dom P is opening the international border in November with no hotel quarantine. You Beauty!!!!

South Australia is operating as a hermit kingdom with no overseas trave allowed.

Jordan and his partner will not be able to get to the Maldives for a while.

Only scomo approved countries, which currently include:
Norfolk Island.
End.

[stevoswan]

You basically don't get it. The club's primary loyalty is to members and supporters and this means there goal must normally be to field the best team possible.
The club made Dawson and rewarded him handsomely, they have every right to feel bitter about his shabby behaviour.

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With the PSD, it's gotten to the point where I've heard a couple of media commentators suggest clubs should be ruthless exploiting the PSD in getting uncontracted players like Dawson for nothing. No trade negotiating, just get player to walk straight through to them with his club receiving nothing.

This should be a worry to the AFL that this sort of thinking is spruiking in the media. The fix is simple as mentioned above by MCS & others.

Victorian media commentators who realise that this 'loophole' can be exploited mainly by Victorian clubs. Scum....

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COB gets it and I stand alongside COB in supporting COB’s opinion. COB’s post is very fair and rational.

Wow.....who's surprised with that post. Yawn.....seriously yawn. You've been told before.....stop preaching.

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Don't worry about it Blue Sun, Stevo directs his disloyal-to-the-club medley at other RWOers at regular intervals. Being subjected to one pretty much demonstrates your capacity for creative and considered thought.

I will call it out whenever I see it. Deal with it....

[stevoswan]

Why does Jordan owe the club something because he is now above average and had a good year?

If we apply your logic to this scenario then the club owes Matt Ling another contract because he worked hard and was unlucky with injuries and was below average.

Maybe Sam Reid is owed something by the club for his hard fought decade?

Jordan owes Sydney nothing and Sydney owe Sam Reid nothing. This is business and both sides play the game.

Ah yes....'business'. It appears some want to be part of it because for whatever reason, they can't see the forest for the money....the rest of us see it for what it is and our morals preclude us from partaking. Give it a rest.

[stevoswan]

That is a very narrow view of the world. I tend to believe Jordan was sincere when he communicated fans had nothing to worry about, but things change.

I sit here in Sydney today having spent the past 3 years abroad. At Xmas relocation was not on the agenda yet by March we were back home. Change of jobs, schools, selling cars etc is not something you take lightly. It was not my intent to return, and my preference was to remain, however wife and family considerations came into play due to COVID. What has happened over the past 2 years have impacted a lot of people and the desire to be nearer family can be genuine. Until you are away from family with no ability to return should there be sickness or death, it is hard to know how you would react. Yes it looks to be resolving but there is no certainty. A new variant could come, borders could be shut again, who knows.

I agree the mechanism of the PSD is wrong, but I don’t begrudge him for making that decision. I also agree he should have been able to nominate SA only. Hopefully changes are made.

For all we know the contract offer from Sydney increased over time, if they had of put our best foot forward earlier in the year he could have remained.

Such is life. Disappointed, but wish him well.

So what did he leave for then...home or money? Your post ended up as an each way bet.....after you said he moved because he missed his family.

[Aprilbr]

I've commenced the process of moving on about JD. He is no longer thinking about us so we should do the same about him. He is a loss but not irreplaceable.

We should think about what lessons we can learn from this whole sorry episode. Two come to mind for me:

1. Try and lock better players into longer contracts so that if we think they are a real flight risk, then move them on while they still have a year to go. Look at Geelong, they picked up a similar pick to us for trading an unproven player to Freo. The difference was he had one year left on his contract.

2. Re-sign in-demand guys coming out of contract very early in their final season. Don't let it get to the trade period.

[stevoswan]

ALL THIS DAWSON BASHING IS BORING!

Dawson picture front page of the Adelaide Advertiser (Murdoch) this morning "Crows new Heir Jordan" and has the wholeback page of the paper to himself.

He explains that the being away from Sydney on the road for the last half of the season and Covid border restrictions were wearing him down, he got home to Robe to do his two weeks quarantine and it was during that period he made up his mind.

I feel sad and sorry that some posters want to pile vitriol on Jordan for making a decision like this. Remember, this is their job. If you were in Jordan's situation and another employer in your home state offered you more money to do the same job amid the uncertainty of Covid going forward then you'd probably move.

Clubs push out players all the time, this is just the reverse, get over it. The fact that Cows were at the pointy end of the draft is what hurt us but that's for the VFL to sort out before GC gets taken to the cleaners next year.

So how about we stop the juvenile attacks on Dawson, recognise it for what it is, and move forward.

My way of looking at this trade period is

Our 2022 third rounder will probably be in the 50's and we probably wouldn't have used it anyway so it cost us nothing

We lost Dawson and had a four pick first round slide, we gained Ladhams who is a need and upgraded a 2022 pick in the 50s to pick 18'ish. That pick will be valuable next year when I believe we may have three academy draftees?

Liz, can we make a thread just for Dawson talk, which I am so over, and revert this thread to discussion about the upcoming ND, pick swaps, DFA to target etc.

We did quite ok as a sum across both trades

Please don't call people juvenile because you disagree with them. This is an open forum and people can say what they like.....and we don't owe Judas anything, least of all our best wishes. I certainly do not like to just bend over and take it. If you're happy to, go for it. Yes, we'll all get over it, eventually.....maybe we're just not as 'mature' as you.

I say all this Dawson defending is boring and preachy. Let us get it out of our system....on our own time line, not yours. Cheers.

[longmile]

Any interest in eggolese-smith? I remember a few posters were interested in getting him in his first year or two but he seems to have plateaued. Could be a good get as a small defender