2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Aprilbr
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2016
    • 1803

    Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
    It's been a while since I was job hunting, but don't employers check prospective employees social media output before making a a job offer these days?
    Its easier said than done. Many Facebook users don't let people automatically see their page. They have to approve new 'friends' first.

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    • Ludwig
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 9359

      The Hun has us taking Darcy Wilmot, Cooper Murley (a zippy small forward from Norwood) and Charlie Dean. I'd be okay with that.

      They have Warner going to Freo at pick 21, a bit early by most pundits' estimates.

      I got the list from Big Footy: News - 2021 Media Phantoms & Rankings | Page 3 | BigFooty

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      • rickmat
        Regular in the Side
        • Mar 2018
        • 500

        I'd be surprised if we took a small forward as we have a plethora of youngsters of this kind. But would not be surprised with any picks by KB as he knows better than me!!! Wilmot and Dean not bad picks, particularly Dean who is sort of a mature age

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        • Markwebbos
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2016
          • 7186

          Originally posted by Ludwig
          The Hun has us taking Darcy Wilmot, Cooper Murley (a zippy small forward from Norwood) and Charlie Dean. I'd be okay with that.

          They have Warner going to Freo at pick 21, a bit early by most pundits' estimates.

          I got the list from Big Footy: News - 2021 Media Phantoms & Rankings | Page 3 | BigFooty
          My version has Corey W going to Freo at pick 36, one spot AFTER we take Murley

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by Markwebbos
            My version has Corey W going to Freo at pick 36, one spot AFTER we take Murley

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            Tour version is probably the correct one, as I was just extrapolating form the Big Footy copy arranged by club.

            I would take Corey ahead of Murley. That would really make a good draft.

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            • dejavoodoo44
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2015
              • 8582

              Originally posted by Aprilbr
              I was not aware of that, TB. Leonidias was certainly a huge draft bust for us. Not only did he never play a senior game, he rarely made the best in the reserves from memory.
              I think that's more 'truth adjacent' than 'actual truth'. IIRC, there was a controversy, about Leonardis liking an anti-Goodes Facebook post by some racist dickhead. However, after a bit of investigation, it was discovered that Leonardis was functionally illiterate, and that he didn't really know what he was doing. After that, it was quickly decided, that he shouldn't really be on Facebook, if he was mainly basing his likes on the pictures, rather than the words. And I think that Goodesy dedicated a bit of his time, to run him through the issues involved?

              Unfortunately, that was probably the least anonymous part of his Swans career. Occasionally, he looked pretty good in the NEAFL, but I don't recall him ever dominating a game, or really pushing his case for promotion.

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              Originally posted by Ludwig
              Tour version is probably the correct one, as I was just extrapolating form the Big Footy copy arranged by club.

              I would take Corey ahead of Murley. That would really make a good draft.
              Although, I could learn to love the name; Cooper Murley.

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              • NeonBible
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2021
                • 280

                Originally posted by TheBloods
                The story broke the night he was drafted , part of a Facebook group , must 've been awkward on his first day ! He had attitude problems all the way thru to his delisting . A ratbag
                TB, did you just let slip who one of our infamous ratbags is??

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                • lwjoyner
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 950

                  still think we should look at picking Conway. Still not sure on Naismith with knee. Conway is touted as best pure ruck in draft.

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                  • 111431
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 697

                    Originally posted by lwjoyner
                    still think we should look at picking Conway. Still not sure on Naismith with knee. Conway is touted as best pure ruck in draft.
                    agreed

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                    • Ralph Dawg
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 1729

                      Why the ruck merry-go-round put this draft prospect in a spin
                      You guys have read this. Shame not to take him given his obvious talent, cousins and desire to play for us. Can we let McAndrew go? - really don't rate him.

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                      • Aprilbr
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 1803

                        Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                        Why the ruck merry-go-round put this draft prospect in a spin
                        You guys have read this. Shame not to take him given his obvious talent, cousins and desire to play for us. Can we let McAndrew go? - really don't rate him.
                        RD, I think we have already signed McAndrew for another season. McAndrew is a true project player. He played Union till recent years and so is still learning our game. The young lad from country Victoria has probably been playing AFL since he was very young so he has a big headstart over McAndrew. I agree though that another one of the McCartin clan is an attractive proposition for us.

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                        • KSAS
                          Senior Player
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 1788

                          Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                          Why the ruck merry-go-round put this draft prospect in a spin
                          You guys have read this. Shame not to take him given his obvious talent, cousins and desire to play for us. Can we let McAndrew go? - really don't rate him.
                          Future Ruck combo of Ladhams & Conway with McAndrew as the long term project player IF he makes the grade. (Sinclair & Naismith you'd think will be gone after 2022). Additional backups of Armatey & McLean who can play that 2nd ruck/forward role. Will result in a plethora of ruck stocks on our 2022 list if we do draft Conway.

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                          • Steve
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 676

                            Originally posted by bloodspirit
                            I think people talking about getting pick 23 are underestimating how much it will cost. I think we might have offered 31 & 39 without change and probably still got outbid. Generally there is a significant premium paid to trade up. Ludwig pointed this out already.
                            Usually yes, but it is different if you’re swapping picks with a team who purely want points like the Bulldogs and will never be using the pick anyway.

                            If there is a 1 draft point benefit to them in a trade of that scenario, they may as well do it. The only issue with having to offer a premium in this situation is other clubs offering a better package with a greater points total.

                            I still think we would have put 31, 39 & 70 on the table - hoping Geelong doesn’t go ahead with offering 32 & 50. Only reason they’d not offer that would be if they looked at 50 and thought with that dropping back to more like 40 after the Bulldogs/Collingwood picks being wiped out with bids, they value a couple of players they want at 32 & 40 ahead of who they’d get earlier access to at 23.

                            But IMO it’s not worth it to us to offer future swaps as a sweetener - just hope Geelong pull out, otherwise let it be and use 31 & 39 which aren’t bad in an even draft.

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                            • Ralph Dawg
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1729

                              Originally posted by Aprilbr
                              RD, I think we have already signed McAndrew for another season. McAndrew is a true project player. He played Union till recent years and so is still learning our game. The young lad from country Victoria has probably been playing AFL since he was very young so he has a big headstart over McAndrew. I agree though that another one of the McCartin clan is an attractive proposition for us.
                              I'm aware of McAndrew's background. Keep in mind, he was nowhere near elite level rugby, unlike Folau, Hunt and Pyke and he played a position (second row) which doesn't really require anywhere near the situational awareness required to play elite AFL. His performances in the VFL were ungainly and he showed a distinct lack of mobility. Other than being tall (209cm), I have very little confidence he will make it.

                              Overall our management of the ruck position has been shambolic since our last flag. We have taken punts on long shots who haven't worked out but at the same time given up guys who have gone on to do well at other clubs. Extending Naismith's contract was the icing on the cake of bad decisions. Hickey exceeding all expectations massively is the only bright point but I would argue this was a fluke. It also didn't come free with us losing AAAA.

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                              • mcs
                                Travelling Swannie!!
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 8161

                                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                                I'm aware of McAndrew's background. Keep in mind, he was nowhere near elite level rugby, unlike Folau, Hunt and Pyke and he played a position (second row) which doesn't really require anywhere near the situational awareness required to play elite AFL. His performances in the VFL were ungainly and he showed a distinct lack of mobility. Other than being tall (209cm), I have very little confidence he will make it.

                                Overall our management of the ruck position has been shambolic since our last flag. We have taken punts on long shots who haven't worked out but at the same time given up guys who have gone on to do well at other clubs. Extending Naismith's contract was the icing on the cake of bad decisions. Hickey exceeding all expectations massively is the only bright point but I would argue this was a fluke. It also didn't come free with us losing AAAA.
                                Don't disagree with a lot of this Ralph, but I reckon McAndrew deserves a full pre-season at the club followed by a full season in the VFL to show whether he is likely to progress or not at any rate that might suggest he could make AFL level.
                                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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