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  • Bangalore Swans
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Mar 2021
    • 1049

    Josh Kennedy has signed a 1 year deal with the Swans. Does anyone feel that his job with the Swans would just about be complete by the end of this season?

    Would it be a smart move by Kennedy to move to a developing team like an Adelaide Crows, Gold Coast Suns, Fremantle Dockers or a North Melbourne to provide experience, teaching, leadership coaching and a strong body. Players like Hodge, Birchill, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis and Daniel Cross have all gone to developing lists and made a great contribution. Kennedy may score a 2 year deal and improved money than what the Swans could afford.

    The Swans could aquire a pick in the 50s or 60s to help with some future draft points.

    I feel that our centre square midfield game will contain players like Parker, Warner, Rowbottom, Mills and Florent who will be one year older and stronger as a group next season. Stephens would come into consideration as well. Hewitt is there as well.

    That part of the ground is well catered for.

    Is Kennedy’s job at the Swans complete at the end of this September?

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16744

      No.

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      • caj23
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2003
        • 2462

        Originally posted by liz
        Absolutely agree. I am surprised that Leppitsch - who has been a senior coach and should understand the pressures on young draftees - would feel the need to make his point by naming a specific player. And in a way that pots the player, rather than just highlights different styles and different clubs.

        And SEN really didn't need to make an article about it. There are hours of dribble broadcast over the course of every day, and they certainly don't turn most of it into articles on their website.
        Don't disagree about potting the young player, but I remember the question mark on him was his low contested possession % at u 18 level, i think it was somewhere in the mid to low 30's, some stats bandied about at the time showed that a player with that breakdown will not make it at AFL level

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        • Ruck'n'Roll
          Ego alta, ergo ictus
          • Nov 2003
          • 3990

          Originally posted by barracuda
          Hayward also has a long history of missing sets shots and poor disposal. Again would that change?
          I believe you're mistaken, by my recollection in his first two years he was extremely accurate. It wasn't until the jaw break that it started to deteriorate - in particular with set shots.

          Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
          Josh Kennedy has signed a 1 year deal with the Swans. Does anyone feel that his job with the Swans would just about be complete by the end of this season?
          No

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          • Aaron
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2009
            • 805

            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
            Is Kennedy’s job at the Swans complete at the end of this September?
            No. The Hwaks' veteran stars left as their premiership window had already closed. Our window has just open wider and wider. As a whole, we are a young team and need a few more experienced leaders.

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11331

              Kennedy is playing very good footy. He certainly has another year in him. It looks to me that with Mills and Warner going into the midfield the pressure is off him. Got plenty of loose ball on Saturday.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4196

                Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                Josh Kennedy has signed a 1 year deal with the Swans. Does anyone feel that his job with the Swans would just about be complete by the end of this season?

                Would it be a smart move by Kennedy to move to a developing team like an Adelaide Crows, Gold Coast Suns, Fremantle Dockers or a North Melbourne to provide experience, teaching, leadership coaching and a strong body. Players like Hodge, Birchill, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis and Daniel Cross have all gone to developing lists and made a great contribution. Kennedy may score a 2 year deal and improved money than what the Swans could afford.

                The Swans could aquire a pick in the 50s or 60s to help with some future draft points.

                I feel that our centre square midfield game will contain players like Parker, Warner, Rowbottom, Mills and Florent who will be one year older and stronger as a group next season. Stephens would come into consideration as well. Hewitt is there as well.

                That part of the ground is well catered for.

                Is Kennedy’s job at the Swans complete at the end of this September?
                No.

                We have done this bit before.

                Josh Kennedy is a club legend. Captain. Premiership winner. 3x Bob Skilton Medallist. Multiple Paul Roos Awards for best finals player.

                We're not Hawthorn - we don't sell off club legends for perceived list management expedience.

                Josh retires a Swan.

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                • gloveski
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1018

                  Originally posted by MattW
                  No.

                  We have done this bit before.

                  Josh Kennedy is a club legend. Captain. Premiership winner. 3x Bob Skilton Medallist. Multiple Paul Roos Awards for best finals player.

                  We're not Hawthorn - we don't sell off club legends for perceived list management expedience.

                  Josh retires a Swan.
                  Couldn’t have said it better myself


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                  • Blood Relative
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 155

                    Originally posted by Aprilbr
                    Here is my list of duds since 2012 that we drafted but who played little or no senior football. I have not included rookies in it as these are always speculative picks. I also did not include those who left for other clubs.

                    2012

                    Harrison Marsh

                    Matthew Dick

                    2013

                    None

                    2014

                    James Rose

                    Jack Hiscox

                    Abaina Davis

                    2015

                    Tyrone Leonardis

                    2016

                    Jack Maibaum

                    2017

                    Ryley Stoddart

                    2018

                    Zac Foote

                    2019

                    Elijah Taylor

                    2020

                    None

                    So I guess the lesson is that on average we draft one per year who does not make it. 2014 was an especially bad year. 2013 and 2020 were exceptional.
                    I recall Harrison Marshall playing very well in the 2016 preliminary final. We dropped him for Jarred McVeigh returning from injury, or it might have been Callum Mills. Anyway my point is that "dud" might be a tad unfair. He went back to Subiaco and won a premiership

                    - - - Updated - - -

                    Sorry, bloody predictive text. Harrison Marsh.

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                    • Aaron
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 805

                      Originally posted by MattW
                      No.

                      We have done this bit before.

                      Josh Kennedy is a club legend. Captain. Premiership winner. 3x Bob Skilton Medallist. Multiple Paul Roos Awards for best finals player.

                      We're not Hawthorn - we don't sell off club legends for perceived list management expedience.

                      Josh retires a Swan.

                      +1

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                      • Mark26
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2017
                        • 1535

                        Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                        Josh Kennedy has signed a 1 year deal with the Swans. Does anyone feel that his job with the Swans would just about be complete by the end of this season?

                        Would it be a smart move by Kennedy to move to a developing team like an Adelaide Crows, Gold Coast Suns, Fremantle Dockers or a North Melbourne to provide experience, teaching, leadership coaching and a strong body. Players like Hodge, Birchill, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis and Daniel Cross have all gone to developing lists and made a great contribution. Kennedy may score a 2 year deal and improved money than what the Swans could afford.

                        The Swans could aquire a pick in the 50s or 60s to help with some future draft points.

                        I feel that our centre square midfield game will contain players like Parker, Warner, Rowbottom, Mills and Florent who will be one year older and stronger as a group next season. Stephens would come into consideration as well. Hewitt is there as well.

                        That part of the ground is well catered for.

                        Is Kennedy’s job at the Swans complete at the end of this September?
                        JK has the privilege of going out on his own terms. He's been an incredible player for our club. He stays as long as he wants.

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                        • i'm-uninformed2
                          Reefer Madness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4653

                          By the way, can we all remember a crucial element of our recruitment strategy - Tom Papley's right foot.

                          If he hadn't blundered so many opportunities in that final round against Geelong, we'd have skipped ahead of Hawthorn on the ladder.

                          They would have bid on Campbell, forcing us to take him, and we would have been denied another pick to get at McDonald.

                          So for being such a bad kick that day, Tommy: all is more than forgiven, we love what you did, and you've now got a great new pal down in the forward 50, you cunning little rat.
                          'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            What if the Daniher trade had gone through? According to the Hun we would have lost Papley and Logan McDonald would be a Bomber today.

                            No Cookies | Herald Sun

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                            • Aprilbr
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 1803

                              Great news to just read that Blakey, Warner and Rowbottom have all re-signed. Rowbottom and Blakey till 2024 and 2023 for Warner. Hopefully, more good news to come in the coming weeks with McCartin, Florent etc.

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                Originally posted by Aprilbr
                                Great news to just read that Blakey, Warner and Rowbottom have all re-signed. Rowbottom and Blakey till 2024 and 2023 for Warner. Hopefully, more good news to come in the coming weeks with McCartin, Florent etc.
                                Very good news. Where did you see it?
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