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  • TheBloods
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Feb 2020
    • 2047

    Its not hard to see why we've gone back to 2020 too much since our 4-0 start

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    • Bangalore Swans
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Mar 2021
      • 1049

      Originally posted by Markwebbos
      Very interesting

      And a very positive development.

      I wonder where the Longmire-Pyke scales sit at the moment?

      We do seem to be a bit more like the 2020 Swans rather than the 2021 version recently
      I think Pyke will get one of the available senior jobs in 2022. With the exception of a pre-season camp that didn’t work out, Pyke has brilliant coaching credentials.

      If the senior assistant job came available, I would love to see Nathan Buckley in the role. I think Buckley would thrive in that senior assistant role in a non AFL city. Imagine Buckley mentoring Chad and giving Chad a postgraduate education on how to be an AFL superstar midfielder.

      Having said that, Buckley could take a spot on the couch and be very prominent in the AFL press in Melbourne.

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      • Aaron
        Regular in the Side
        • Jan 2009
        • 805

        Originally posted by KSAS
        Don Pyke interviewed by Kane Cornes on SEN this morning and he asked him how Will Gould is going. Don said Gould has put in a solid 6 week performance in the VFL and is on the right side of the magnet board. He is anticipating that Will make his debut in the next month or so.

        Don revealed he was approached by the Swans to inject fresh coaching ideas and has free rein to challenge John L. More or less agreed that our more attacking style this year was his influence as the club were conscience to improve their scoring rate.
        Informative! Have a listen at https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=844360

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        • longmile
          Crumber
          • Apr 2011
          • 3366

          Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
          I think Pyke will get one of the available senior jobs in 2022. With the exception of a pre-season camp that didn’t work out, Pyke has brilliant coaching credentials.

          If the senior assistant job came available, I would love to see Nathan Buckley in the role. I think Buckley would thrive in that senior assistant role in a non AFL city. Imagine Buckley mentoring Chad and giving Chad a postgraduate education on how to be an AFL superstar midfielder.

          Having said that, Buckley could take a spot on the couch and be very prominent in the AFL press in Melbourne.
          We have 43 other players and it makes 22 to make a team you know

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          • NeonBible
            Warming the Bench
            • Mar 2021
            • 280

            Originally posted by TheBloods
            Its not hard to see why we've gone back to 2020 too much since our 4-0 start
            I think i have a reasonable footy mind TB, and i've pondered your statement for a good five minutes trying to figure out what the obvious reason is you are referring to that would explain the change in our game from the 4-0 start.. and I'm none the wiser!!

            It's likely due to a multitude of reasons! Young players getting tired.. injuries impacting the form of players like Heeney & Hickey.. the expected inconsistency of a young squad.. & most importantly (and inevitably!!) the competition catching on to the way we were playing!

            I believe the coaches would've foreseen all of these adversities.. no season is perfect and without it's bumps and hiccups! But i dont see an overriding reason, so please enlighten us? Because I think we're doing pretty darn well to still be in the top 8!! And I betcha we stay there! I was at the G tonight and witnessed a top 8 side devoid of life! We have life!! It makes the world of difference!

            CHEER CHEER!

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            • rb4x
              Regular in the Side
              • Dec 2007
              • 968

              Originally posted by Markwebbos
              I see the Richmond Ruck Boutique will be showcasing all three this weekend. Should be required viewing for Ludwig and all lovers of the beautiful art.
              Will be interested to read Ludwig's analysis. All three should be now very affordable. Not a great debut for young Samson who ended up with negative fantasy points with one hitout and one free against for 55% ToG. Exceeds the effort of our very own Chambers who could at least score zero.

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              • TheBloods
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Feb 2020
                • 2047

                Originally posted by NeonBible
                I think i have a reasonable footy mind TB, and i've pondered your statement for a good five minutes trying to figure out what the obvious reason is you are referring to that would explain the change in our game from the 4-0 start.. and I'm none the wiser!!

                It's likely due to a multitude of reasons! Young players getting tired.. injuries impacting the form of players like Heeney & Hickey.. the expected inconsistency of a young squad.. & most importantly (and inevitably!!) the competition catching on to the way we were playing!

                I believe the coaches would've foreseen all of these adversities.. no season is perfect and without it's bumps and hiccups! But i dont see an overriding reason, so please enlighten us? Because I think we're doing pretty darn well to still be in the top 8!! And I betcha we stay there! I was at the G tonight and witnessed a top 8 side devoid of life! We have life!! It makes the world of difference!

                CHEER CHEER!
                When we were 4-0 some of our best players were the new faces - Chad , Gulden, Campbell , Hickey

                Since then they've had injuries and have been replaced in a way by players who are too 2020 like

                Hayward's surprised me actually since he came back so good on him , but he doesnt provide the spark or the class of Gulden in a similar role

                Rowbottom's been ok but he's not fit to lace Chad's boots

                Fox just can't break lines or rebound at all like Campbell can

                All 3 of those kids were major reasons we played such fantastic footy early on and they've been phased out because of injuries in favour of lesser versions of themselves , blokes who regularly got games in 2020 and that was part of the problem. If you field too many average players its inevitable you will play some average footy

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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8559

                  Originally posted by rb4x
                  Will be interested to read Ludwig's analysis. All three should be now very affordable. Not a great debut for young Samson who ended up with negative fantasy points with one hitout and one free against for 55% ToG. Exceeds the effort of our very own Chambers who could at least score zero.
                  Sampson injured his knee in a collision in his first play of the game......he played on but it was very unfortunate for the kid as he was obviously affected by it. A debut he'd like to forget.

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                  Originally posted by TheBloods

                  Rowbottom's been ok but he's not fit to lace Chad's boots
                  From what was a good post, we get this....and you wonder why you get blowback.

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                  • TheBloods
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 2047

                    Originally posted by stevoswan
                    From what was a good post, we get this....and you wonder why you get blowback.
                    Shouldnt get blowback as i didnt say anything that wasn't obvious. RB and Chad are different kinds of players and without Chad as a major part of our midfield mix we lose the run and flair in the midfield that we had in the first month or so

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                    • Goal Sneak
                      Out of Bounds on the Full
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 653

                      Originally posted by rb4x
                      Will be interested to read Ludwig's analysis. All three should be now very affordable. Not a great debut for young Samson who ended up with negative fantasy points with one hitout and one free against for 55% ToG. Exceeds the effort of our very own Chambers who could at least score zero.
                      Yeah but Torture was consistent. Let's see if Samson can string a few games together with those sorts of numbers before we compare

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                      • Bangalore Swans
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Mar 2021
                        • 1049

                        Originally posted by TheBloods
                        Shouldnt get blowback as i didnt say anything that wasn't obvious. RB and Chad are different kinds of players and without Chad as a major part of our midfield mix we lose the run and flair in the midfield that we had in the first month or so
                        It was a suberp post.

                        Early in the year Chad, Guldon, McDonald and Campbell were all going superbly. We were playing Don Pyke corridor football and were exciting.

                        I said in my posts at the time that these young players need a week off here and there to freshen up and not break down. People laughed at me for raising the concept of informed player management. All four of those players have broken down and spend time out.

                        I was right and want people to apologise for doubting my opinion on informed player management.

                        I think those young players have not been helped by the fact the Swans started playing crash and bash contested boundary line football and went away from the Don Pyke corridor style. The corridor style is better for the young guys as they can use their run and don’t need to play as much contested football.

                        People will say that the opposition blocked the corridor however I believe that there were still many more opportunities to go through the corridor. The players became risk adverse and it seems that coaches also became risk adverse.

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                        • mcs
                          Travelling Swannie!!
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 8166

                          The ego dressing echo chamber back at it again, derailing another thread.
                          "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                          • Ralph Dawg
                            Senior Player
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 1729

                            I'm going to preface my post by saying everything is easy in hindsight.

                            The 2017 draft was a lost opportunity to replenish our tall player stocks. We used pick 14 on Ling, who at the time was touted as a fleet footed mid, in the process, missing out on CCJ and Oscar Allen (picks 20 and 21). We also could've got Sam Taylor, Balta or Tom de Konig. Granted, we did take McCartain but what a difference it would've made having any of those other young talls we missed out on. Although not a tall, pick 15 was Zac Bailey, who is an absolute jet.

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                            • longmile
                              Crumber
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 3366

                              Originally posted by mcs
                              The ego dressing echo chamber back at it again, derailing another thread.
                              Bizarre! Every time I see it I feel like I've entered some brainwashed cult where people just pat each other on the back all the time.

                              Any key defenders or intercepting defenders on the market????? After a quick look at out of contract players (many of whom I must admit I am not familiar with), Jake Kelly (Adel), Marcus Adams (Bris), Jack Hombsch (GC), CJ (Hawks) and Ed Richards (dogs) could all be good gets. Hope we've had a chat with CJ, as he looks the best of the bunch in terms of what we need
                              Last edited by longmile; 27 June 2021, 10:31 AM.

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                                I'm going to preface my post by saying everything is easy in hindsight.

                                The 2017 draft was a lost opportunity to replenish our tall player stocks. We used pick 14 on Ling, who at the time was touted as a fleet footed mid, in the process, missing out on CCJ and Oscar Allen (picks 20 and 21). We also could've got Sam Taylor, Balta or Tom de Konig. Granted, we did take McCartain but what a difference it would've made having any of those other young talls we missed out on. Although not a tall, pick 15 was Zac Bailey, who is an absolute jet.
                                Ed Richards and Noah Balta were my 2 top recommendations in 2017. Richards is coming back from a long time on the IJ and Balta's had just injured his knee. Either would be a good addition. There were plenty of good ones available at our pick 1. It's just been bad luck with Ling. I haven't given up on him yet. Hope he;s not injured again.

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