2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

[*]I don't think we are in a slow outflow position. If reports are correct, we have 20+ players out of contract which means we have heaps of room to make decisions. I can see at least four of Sinclair, Ling, Gray, Ronke, O'Riordan, Clarke, and Brand being delisted. Naismith may be retired. We could actually have a large turnover this year.[/LIST]

I count the outflow as established regular players who will retire or forced to stop playing due to injury. The one's you have listed are fringe players who might get delisted and replaced by players likely to have less prospects of success. I think we should lose Sinclair, Gray, Brand and Naismith. The other 4 may be worth holding on to for another year and see how things play out as I think they are likely better prospects than the rookies who would replace them.

[Matty10]

I think we should lose Sinclair, Gray, Brand and Naismith.

That would be a bold move to get rid of two senior ruckmen (even if one hasn’t really played for multiple years). What’s the plan if Hickey went down?

[Ruck'n'Roll]

In the absence of any alternative first ruck (BigMac too young and Naismith too broken) - I can certainly see us hanging on to Sinkers for another year (He's only a year older than Hickey).

[bloodspirit]

How do people feel about Darcy Fogarty, on the outer at the Crows?

I’m sure we could find a player or pick to send their way

If our club's recruiters go for Fogarty, I'd back them in. However, the names I have thrown up are Jarrod Brander, Harrison Petty and Aaron Francis, probably in that order. Petty and Francis are both, like Fogarty, from SA. Petty is taller than the others and his stocks have risen a lot since Adam Tomlinson got injured and he has started playing for the Demons. I think they're all coming out of contract.

Could someone remind me where to find (preferably post a link to) the list maintained by a poster on Big Footy about all the players from all the different clubs and where they are up to with their contracts? I'd love to check if the above remains the case.

[bloodspirit]

I think Ludwig & Bloodspirit are largely making the same argument regarding limited playing spots.

I mostly agree with Ludwig when it comes to list management. He makes compelling and reasoned arguments and is forward-thinking. Especially this is true at the general level - not quite so much with the specific players from other clubs he wants to target (Tony Olango) or Swans he wants to keep (Abe Davis). [insert eyebrow raised emoji here]

[bloodspirit]

AFL Draft Central's Power Rankings July edition has dropped: Draft Central Power Rankings: July 2021 - Aussie Rules Draft Central.

[Ludwig]

That would be a bold move to get rid of two senior ruckmen (even if one hasn’t really played for multiple years). What’s the plan if Hickey went down?

I forgot to mention something I've made many comments on, in that I expect we will recruit another forward ruck like Chol, Max Lynch or Ladhams, who with become our backup ruckman. Amartey is a decent 3rd backup, if needed, followed by McAndrew.

If we don't recruit another ruckman, then Sinkers will likely stay on for another year.

[bloodspirit]

I forgot to mention something I've made many comments on, in that I expect we will recruit another forward ruck like Chol, Max Lynch or Ladhams, who with become our backup ruckman. Amartey is a decent 3rd backup, if needed, followed by McAndrew.

If we don't recruit another ruckman, then Sinkers will likely stay on for another year.

I was thinking similarly even before Naismith went down and we got McAndrew. My thought was that time's up for Sinkers and we need both an extra proper ruck (Ladhams, Lynch etc) and a forward-ruck (Chol, Coleman-Jones etc). However, since then Amartey has come on and possibly he can be the forward-ruck I thought we needed to recruit. I'd still leap at Coleman-Jones.

[Ludwig]

I'd still leap at Coleman-Jones.

Coleman-Jones would be my first choice too, but I usually don't bother to include him on my list of prospects as Richmond are very unlikely to let him go.

[AB Swannie]

We agree on something recently! Hooray!. Sinkers will stay on minimum wage if we can't get any other ruck via trade. I can see a time where Amartey might be tried as first ruck if Hickey went down but I don't think I like it. One of the Port rucks (Ladhams or Hayes) would be a good get.

[707]

How do people feel about Darcy Fogarty, on the outer at the Crows?

I’m sure we could find a player or pick to send their way

NO! a pick 12 bust in the making

[707]

We agree on something recently! Hooray!. Sinkers will stay on minimum wage if we can't get any other ruck via trade. I can see a time where Amartey might be tried as first ruck if Hickey went down but I don't think I like it. One of the Port rucks (Ladhams or Hayes) would be a good get.

Ladhams and Hayes would both be getting itchy feet I'd reckon

[bloodspirit]

Ladhams and Hayes would both be getting itchy feet I'd reckon

Yeah, but how much extra opportunity can we offer them? They'll still be parked behind Hickey.

[AB Swannie]

Yeah, but how much extra opportunity can we offer them? They'll still be parked behind Hickey.

That can probably be said for almost every AFL club but with Hickey on the wrong side of 30 and with no obvious decent back up, they’ve got as much chance of playing more games here over the next 5 years than anywhere else.

[neilfws]

Hopefully this article is just Dawson's manager pushing for the best contract from the Swans:

‘Rival interest’ for emerging Swan Dawson

It does say about half-way down that he's keen to remain with the Swans.