2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    I want to reiterate that my belief that we will let Hewett go is not related to his playing performance, which I have praised over the years when others have criticised him. With that out of the way, I will try to clarify my position.

    List management is a balancing act in a zero sum game (salary cap). It's not about praising or dissing players. It's about finding the best mix of players with the limited resources available within a system of constraints, in order to achieve a goal.

    We have 4 midfielders who were not in the side this week that I would expect to be regulars in the side next year: Warner, Rowbottom, Campbell and Stephens. So who do they replace in the current side? Kennedy will be one, if not next year then in 2023. Bell is now amongst the group of players fighting for final spots in the 22. So who is next? Gulden? McInerney? I don't think so. And I don't want to hear that Rowbottom is getting sidelined either. He's developing into a fine player and should be at least the equal of Hewett at the same age, but is on a much lower salary. So if it means a swap of Rowbottom in and Hewett out for next year, I would take it, even if I think Hewett can do a better job this year.

    We need to make 'space' in both our salary cap and on the playing field for players to develop. We have an excess of slower midfielders and a shortage of high quality KPPs, so we need to shuffle things up a bit to get a better balance in our playing list.

    If you want to argue that Hewett is a good player and we shouldn't trade him, I hear you, and agree that he's a good player. But I've given you my arguments as to why we should trade him nonetheless.

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    • longmile
      Crumber
      • Apr 2011
      • 3366

      Originally posted by Ludwig
      I want to reiterate that my belief that we will let Hewett go is not related to his playing performance, which I have praised over the years when others have criticised him. With that out of the way, I will try to clarify my position.

      List management is a balancing act in a zero sum game (salary cap). It's not about praising or dissing players. It's about finding the best mix of players with the limited resources available within a system of constraints, in order to achieve a goal.

      We have 4 midfielders who were not in the side this week that I would expect to be regulars in the side next year: Warner, Rowbottom, Campbell and Stephens. So who do they replace in the current side? Kennedy will be one, if not next year then in 2023. Bell is now amongst the group of players fighting for final spots in the 22. So who is next? Gulden? McInerney? I don't think so. And I don't want to hear that Rowbottom is getting sidelined either. He's developing into a fine player and should be at least the equal of Hewett at the same age, but is on a much lower salary. So if it means a swap of Rowbottom in and Hewett out for next year, I would take it, even if I think Hewett can do a better job this year.

      We need to make 'space' in both our salary cap and on the playing field for players to develop. We have an excess of slower midfielders and a shortage of high quality KPPs, so we need to shuffle things up a bit to get a better balance in our playing list.

      If you want to argue that Hewett is a good player and we shouldn't trade him, I hear you, and agree that he's a good player. But I've given you my arguments as to why we should trade him nonetheless.
      Absolutely hurts my soul to say it, but I'd rather keep Hewett at the expense of Kennedy (god bless that man) if that's the equation

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      • Markwebbos
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2016
        • 7186

        Originally posted by longmile
        Absolutely hurts my soul to say it, but I'd rather keep Hewett at the expense of Kennedy (god bless that man) if that's the equation
        JPK has a contract for next year, Hewett doesn’t

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        • Bangalore Swans
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Mar 2021
          • 1049

          When looking at inside mids I think Dawson is ready to assume an inside mid role. He’s playing left wing at the moment but you could easily see a Gulden, Campbell or Stephens playing on that left wing.

          Imagine Dawson as an inside mid. Strong in body, great endurance, great mark and dynamic left leg.

          Has to happen. This would make it harder for Hewett as I haven’t even factored in Chad.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans

            Imagine Dawson as an inside mid. Strong in body, great endurance, great mark and dynamic left leg.
            When Dawson played inside mid in the NEAFL he racked up incredible numbers every week in both disposals and tackles.

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            • lwjoyner
              Regular in the Side
              • Nov 2004
              • 952

              hewitt is a keeper. excellentr at run with role

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              • longmile
                Crumber
                • Apr 2011
                • 3366

                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                JPK has a contract for next year, Hewett doesn’t
                I'm aware. The situation is purely hypothetical, like much of this thread. People seem to think (and I'm one of them) that our midfield can't function properly if we have Mills, Kennedy, Parker and Hewett attending every clearance. Mills and Parker are obviously picked first on current form, leaving it to JPK and Hewett.

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                • Nico
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11339

                  Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                  When looking at inside mids I think Dawson is ready to assume an inside mid role. He’s playing left wing at the moment but you could easily see a Gulden, Campbell or Stephens playing on that left wing.

                  Imagine Dawson as an inside mid. Strong in body, great endurance, great mark and dynamic left leg.

                  Has to happen. This would make it harder for Hewett as I haven’t even factored in Chad.
                  Why would you change Dawson's role when he doing so well in his current role? That is, the everywhere man ruck rover. They have found his niche so I look forward to even more improvement from him.

                  We have a number of fringe players on the list who are not going to get a game this year. Surely delisting them will free up cash for the likes of Dawson and Hewett to get a pay rise.

                  Moving Hewett back to his tagger role has had a big impact on our structure. Playing him off half back was always a mistake. I think on form we must be taking him into next year if we are serious about our development.
                  http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                  • NeonBible
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Mar 2021
                    • 280

                    Hi all,

                    Love the discussions above!! Though i would never be able to endorse parting ways with Joey Kennedy until he is ready to depart the club, i can recognise where that thought process comes from! We are building something special and it's possible that Joey isn't a part of it (Isn't that just the darn saddest thing?! ) I can see the same point about George, however we've seen his value in recent weeks. Maybe for the right price. I suppose every player has a price!

                    Might I offer an alternative to the toing and froing over which mid needs to be cut for the betterment of the team .. is it George? Is it Joey? Is it Rowy?? How about... NONE! We might've beaten the Doggies yesterday but i still regard them as the benchmark of the comp... they ran 6 guys through their midfield yesterday - Bont, Macrae, Libba, Smith, Daniel, and Hunter. That increases when Dunkley and Treloar play! They are a versatile bunch who can play a number of roles to swap and change and allow each other to all have their turns on the ball.. Bont goes forward, Daniel goes in. Daniel goes to HB, Smith goes in. Smith goes to the wing, Hunter goes in. etc etc

                    We shouldnt be so quick to put all our eggs in just 3 or 4 guys baskets! A midfield of Joey (who might only have one year left anyway??), Parks, Millsy, George, Chad, Rowy and Ollie would be a versatile bunch. You have Ollie and Rowy who can play inside or on a wing. Parker can play inside or forward. Mills can play inside or help out in defence. So can George. Chad can play inside or on a forward flank. If we get these guys to embrace MULTIPLE roles then they can all have a turn and no one will have to get the chop!

                    CHEER CHEER

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      Joey Kennedy must be in the top 10 Swans' players of all time and certainly the best of the past decade, so no one wants to push him out of the side. I would hate to see Joey miss a premiership if we make a GF while he's still at the club. He's still a great player, but now probably ranks 4th in line for the main on-ballers in Mills, Parker, Hewett and Kennedy.

                      I think we will have a problem at stoppages until we can find a solution to opposition teams waltzing the ball out of the stoppage because we have no one who can make up any ground on them once they have ball in hand. Surely I'm not the only one who sees this as something that needs attention. I'm open to suggestions about a fix.

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                      • Captain
                        Captain of the Side
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3602

                        JPK is still easily ahead of Hewett, he isn't going anywhere.

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                        • joeykanga
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Jul 2019
                          • 361

                          Originally posted by Nico
                          Why would you change Dawson's role when he doing so well in his current role? That is, the everywhere man ruck rover. They have found his niche so I look forward to even more improvement from him.

                          We have a number of fringe players on the list who are not going to get a game this year. Surely delisting them will free up cash for the likes of Dawson and Hewett to get a pay rise.

                          Moving Hewett back to his tagger role has had a big impact on our structure. Playing him off half back was always a mistake. I think on form we must be taking him into next year if we are serious about our development.
                          +100
                          Im sure increased salaries can be
                          staggered for rises in different years and as people retire such as Bud and Kennedy and managed by a good list manager
                          Allir was let go because we had depth in his role ..you can clearly see that now as players are developing to take over
                          And we needed that ruck desperately in Hickey ..
                          Hewett is vital as you say in our structure and in his role …I can’t not see him being let go unless he’s desperately homesick

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                          Originally posted by NeonBible
                          Hi all,

                          Love the discussions above!! Though i would never be able to endorse parting ways with Joey Kennedy until he is ready to depart the club, i can recognise where that thought process comes from! We are building something special and it's possible that Joey isn't a part of it (Isn't that just the darn saddest thing?! ) I can see the same point about George, however we've seen his value in recent weeks. Maybe for the right price. I suppose every player has a price!

                          Might I offer an alternative to the toing and froing over which mid needs to be cut for the betterment of the team .. is it George? Is it Joey? Is it Rowy?? How about... NONE! We might've beaten the Doggies yesterday but i still regard them as the benchmark of the comp... they ran 6 guys through their midfield yesterday - Bont, Macrae, Libba, Smith, Daniel, and Hunter. That increases when Dunkley and Treloar play! They are a versatile bunch who can play a number of roles to swap and change and allow each other to all have their turns on the ball.. Bont goes forward, Daniel goes in. Daniel goes to HB, Smith goes in. Smith goes to the wing, Hunter goes in. etc etc

                          We shouldnt be so quick to put all our eggs in just 3 or 4 guys baskets! A midfield of Joey (who might only have one year left anyway??), Parks, Millsy, George, Chad, Rowy and Ollie would be a versatile bunch. You have Ollie and Rowy who can play inside or on a wing. Parker can play inside or forward. Mills can play inside or help out in defence. So can George. Chad can play inside or on a forward flank. If we get these guys to embrace MULTIPLE roles then they can all have a turn and no one will have to get the chop!

                          CHEER CHEER
                          Great post

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                          • bloodspirit
                            Clubman
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 4448

                            Originally posted by NeonBible
                            Hi all,

                            Love the discussions above!! Though i would never be able to endorse parting ways with Joey Kennedy until he is ready to depart the club, i can recognise where that thought process comes from! We are building something special and it's possible that Joey isn't a part of it (Isn't that just the darn saddest thing?! ) I can see the same point about George, however we've seen his value in recent weeks. Maybe for the right price. I suppose every player has a price!

                            Might I offer an alternative to the toing and froing over which mid needs to be cut for the betterment of the team .. is it George? Is it Joey? Is it Rowy?? How about... NONE! We might've beaten the Doggies yesterday but i still regard them as the benchmark of the comp... they ran 6 guys through their midfield yesterday - Bont, Macrae, Libba, Smith, Daniel, and Hunter. That increases when Dunkley and Treloar play! They are a versatile bunch who can play a number of roles to swap and change and allow each other to all have their turns on the ball.. Bont goes forward, Daniel goes in. Daniel goes to HB, Smith goes in. Smith goes to the wing, Hunter goes in. etc etc

                            We shouldnt be so quick to put all our eggs in just 3 or 4 guys baskets! A midfield of Joey (who might only have one year left anyway??), Parks, Millsy, George, Chad, Rowy and Ollie would be a versatile bunch. You have Ollie and Rowy who can play inside or on a wing. Parker can play inside or forward. Mills can play inside or help out in defence. So can George. Chad can play inside or on a forward flank. If we get these guys to embrace MULTIPLE roles then they can all have a turn and no one will have to get the chop!

                            CHEER CHEER
                            The problem is that you can only fit 22 (or 23 ) into your best 22.

                            It's all very well to say that we cut no players but spots have to be for the players outside of the team or else we'll lose them. And we don't want to lose the wrong players. We will have to let some players go and it's figuring out who are the most important ones to keep and also figuring out how to manage the transitions of some out of the side. At least one of Buddy and Joey will (surely?) finish up next year but we don't want to lose their replacement while making them wait.

                            Players like Stephens, McDonald and Campbell are not players we will contemplate giving up. They will probably be prepared to be a bit patient. But we also don't want to lose RB or Chad either. Hopefully they will be patient too and see they have been given chances and know that they can win more opportunities if they play well enough with injuries and retirements etc.

                            This year is going to be a much more interesting trade period because there are so many possible options about what we do in terms of trading in and out players and picks. Previously it has all been about the draft and last year there were no surprises at the draft either.
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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8166

                              While I'm sure that Dawson could make a great inside midfielder, why change what is working so damn well at the moment? He gives great utility in that role, is one of the best kicks in the team and is continuing to improve. One clearly obvious part of our transition is looking for good kicks on the outside that can really damage when given space and time. Dawson is one of those, Errol has that ability, Blakey has done well in that regard since coming in. Campbell has all the hallmarks of being just as damaging as well over time. I don't think we will sacrifice that ability in terms of Dawson anytime soon - although as others have said, he has shown plenty in midfield back in the days of playing reserves footy too, so could definitely do it.

                              Nice problems to have!
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                ...except the windfall of Logan McDonald falling to our pick 4.
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