2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[The Runner]

Great to meet a like minded poster on here. I take an American lense to a lot of sports situations.

On the subject of players wanting to go home Can you imagine the reaction of an NFL general manager to a player who said “I want to go home”? The general manager would laugh and say “clear your locker at get the @@@@ out.

The AFL industry needs a hard arse to tell these blokes that the go home factor is for primary school kids and not professionals. This go home factor is an indulgence that the AFL industry has let foster to the game’s detriment.

Based on the current situation, I’m would be resigning Dawson for two more seasons unless we get pick 4 from the Crows.

It’s quite simple for Dawson. Go to North or Collingwood in the pre-season draft or sign with us.

I’ve got every faith that if we drag Dawson kicking and screaming back to Moore Park that he will be fine.

What does TheBloods think of the Swans playing hard ball and putting him in the draft to go to North or just resign with us.

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What an outstanding post.

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What an outstanding post.

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What an outstanding post.

I don't think you watch, or at least understand the current landscape in the NBA.

[KTigers]

Too much pampering of youngsters now in our culture, starting at Primary School. Encouragement and positive reinforcement are fine up to a point but these days, this approach can easily lead to a lack of resilience and a tendency to look for an easy way out. Saying no at the right time has gone out of fashion. Don't know if this applies to Dawson but it is an issue in society here now. Not saying we should go back to my younger days when boys/men were just expected to tough everything out, but the balance has tilted too far the other way.

I dunno man. I've met plenty of 20 somethings recently who've either lost their jobs, been duped on their pay packets by their
dodgy employers, and/or have had to have had almost weekly virus tests because they are surrounded by stupid Covid denying
older work mates who wouldn't know a mask from their own ass. They all seem to be toughing it out from what I've seen.
Footballers on cushy six figure salaries I'm not so sure about.

[Mark26]

Here is what I don't get...why would the Swans ever even entertain trading him away unless they get a massive offer? He is 24 years old. He is RESTRICTED. I have no problem with Luke Parker walking away if he wants...he paid his dues. But I am confounded by the AFL teams' willingness to let young players, with a few years in the league, dictate terms. To me, and I am a naive' American, I think there is tremendous value in just using the word "NO", if for no other reason that they are setting a precedent for future restricted free agents. If another team wants to put themselves in cap hell for signing Jordan Dawson, let them and take the compensation. If he wants to risk the draft, where there is no guarantee that he goes to South Australia, let him. If he wants to sit, let him sit. But to me, at some point the teams name to take control over their rosters again. Finally, I am really tired of young men in their twenties asking to "go home" because they are home sick, etc. Young men go to foreign nations to fight for their countries at 18... I don't think it is too traumatic to play in another major city and to Skype with relatives for a while for a tremendous salary. Anyway, I may be off base but I really struggle to understand the AFL trade deadline culture...

I don't think you're off base at all and if I was part of the Swan's list management team, I'd be saying no too. JD is easily one of our best players at the right age. You can't just let him walk. We let Mitchell go and he became an AA. Same with Allir. JD is on the same trajectory. I think we should make it as difficult as possible for another team to acquire his services while doing everything possible to encourage him to recommit.

[The Runner]

Too much pampering of youngsters now in our culture, starting at Primary School. Encouragement and positive reinforcement are fine up to a point but these days, this approach can easily lead to a lack of resilience and a tendency to look for an easy way out. Saying no at the right time has gone out of fashion. Don't know if this applies to Dawson but it is an issue in society here now. Not saying we should go back to my younger days when boys/men were just expected to tough everything out, but the balance has tilted too far the other way.

I really don't like these takes. Go home factor has been around forever - Shannon Grant and Anthony Rocca are two from the mid 90s. How's that any different?
And if you don't like what a generation is being raised, maybe consider the generation raising it.

[Aprilbr]

I don't think you're off base at all and if I was part of the Swan's list management team, I'd be saying no too. JD is easily one of our best players at the right age. You can't just let him walk. We let Mitchell go and he became an AA. Same with Allir. JD is on the same trajectory. I think we should make it as difficult as possible for another team to acquire his services while doing everything possible to encourage him to recommit.

Sadly Mark I think its too late for that. It would seem his mind is made up. I was just listening to an at length discussion of the Dawson situation on Melbourne SEN with Whatley and others. A few takeaways:

1. His strong preference is to go to Port

2. Port have No. 17 and then a pick in the 60s.

3. They all think that Dawson would be a bargain at No. 17 so Port will need to add something else or trade for a lower pick.

4. Swans have a history of finding a way to replace players either internally or by clever trading.

[Bangalore Swans]

I don't think you watch, or at least understand the current landscape in the NBA.

NFL for me. I have a decent understanding of that landscape.

[Blood Fever]

I dunno man. I've met plenty of 20 somethings recently who've either lost their jobs, been duped on their pay packets by their
dodgy employers, and/or have had to have had almost weekly virus tests because they are surrounded by stupid Covid denying
older work mates who wouldn't know a mask from their own ass. They all seem to be toughing it out from what I've seen.
Footballers on cushy six figure salaries I'm not so sure about.

Agree my post was too much of a generalisation and that young people are doing it hard during Covid. I still reckon there has been a worrying change in society and it's affecting the ability to be resilient.

[Bangalore Swans]

Kidding ,

Why the F would we want him , hes turned his back on us so F him Hes a star but only thing more important than talent is loyalty

I think Dawson can be turned around. The isolation of COVID and the lack of flights between SA and NSW is getting to him. Maybe too much time in the bubble with 30 other blokes wore him down.

The club turned round Papley and ROK. Dawson will be next. I’ll apologise if I’m wrong and he leaves.

[Blood Fever]

I really don't like these takes. Go home factor has been around forever - Shannon Grant and Anthony Rocca are two from the mid 90s. How's that any different?
And if you don't like what a generation is being raised, maybe consider the generation raising it.

Agree it was too general and focused on the young. Parenting methods lie behind it.

[mcs]

Sadly Mark I think its too late for that. It would seem his mind is made up. I was just listening to an at length discussion of the Dawson situation on Melbourne SEN with Whatley and others. A few takeaways:

1. His strong preference is to go to Port

2. Port have No. 17 and then a pick in the 60s.

3. They all think that Dawson would be a bargain at No. 17 so Port will need to add something else or trade for a lower pick.

4. Swans have a history of finding a way to replace players either internally or by clever trading.

I still wonder whether Port will really give up on this draft completely (i.e. by giving up No 17 if that is what they end up - lets hope they do). They still have to take 3 players no matter what, and maybe they'd trade a fringe player or 2 out to get a 2nd rounder from somewhere, but they would still be left with an exceptionally weak draft hand, and the risk that they get zero from this years draft at all going forward. They may well be happy to take that risk, but it is a risk.

I would think next years 1st rounder from Port + something else is the more likely solution.

And if I was Dawson - it would be the jailbirds all day long over the fruit tingles.

[KSAS]

Let me start this by saying I'm gutted at Dawson wanting to leave BUT - on RWO right here and right now there is so much shrill hysteria and complete rubbish over this news.

There's outrage and completely incorrect blaming of the club salary cap management, Buddy's contract being named as the cause of our problem, Swans lowballing him, doomsday trade scenarios including Crows getting him by the PSD etc,etc.

That perpetual Swans basher Jon Ralph has said in this mornings media "the Swans offered Dawson a deal of up to five seasons and had the cap space to make an extremely generous offer"

So please get a grip folks, this decision has everything to do with girlfriend from Adelaide, no Covid in SA, Covid disaster in NSW and the pressure of no entry to SA for anyone from NSW, etc. Can we please stop clogging this thread with inaccurate and plain untrue posts.

As for where Dawson goes and what we'll get for him, lets wait and see. How could he choose Crows who are 2-3 seasons minimum away from even getting to finals but do have truck loads of cap space. Port he plays finals for foreseeable future but they have a tight cap.

Crows are not very imaginitive at trading, Port target their man and get things done. I'd prefer he chooses Port.

Q: Are we forced to deal with Port if Dawson nominates them (he's not RFA) or do we have right to say we'd rather deal with Adelaide if they offer pick 4 and at least match Port's $$$$ offer? It's still meeting his demands of returning home to SA with at least equal numeration as Port (aware of the Tim Kelly WA go home scenario couple years ago). We should at least be in position to allow both SA teams to play bidding wars with us.

[TheBloods]

I don't think you watch, or at least understand the current landscape in the NBA.

@@@@ sport that makes no sense

Bounce and throw a ball in hoop , wow

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I think Dawson can be turned around. The isolation of COVID and the lack of flights between SA and NSW is getting to him. Maybe too much time in the bubble with 30 other blokes wore him down.

The club turned round Papley and ROK. Dawson will be next. I’ll apologise if I’m wrong and he leaves.

Hes not considering a trade , hes requested one ! That means the clubs negotiating and trying to reason with him is done and was unsuccessful . Move him on

[Faunac8]

It is always amusing to hear people blame primary schools for many of the perceived issues with “ young people “ nowadays and all the pampering that occurs at school.
It is usually someone of a certain vintage with no practical knowledge or experience of the current primary school curriculum that makes these all encompassing statements. Much like previous generations who would bemoan about the young people of the day and their lack of manners , how lazy they were and how easy they had it etc etc .
Followed by how much harder it was in my day I know this to be true as I have been guilty of it myself????
Now I have a vested interest in this subject as I am married to and also the father of Primary school teachers and as such the following comments may contain some unconscious bias but I can assure you that I have heard enough over the last 30 years to feel I have some inside knowledge on the subject .

Schools are not in the business of creating entitled children who are unable to exist in society without the assistance of others.
Parents ( not all but many) create this mindset from an early age and teachers then have to change their belief that the world revolves around them and educate them on how life really works.
Teachers are often also tasked with having to teach children some of the basic life tools such as manners , sharing and consideration for others as these are often not given much weight by parents.
While governments do legislate and then try to enforce laws and regulations that attempt to create an inclusive and all encompassing one size fits all society rest assured the people tasked with implementing this are far more practical and realistic in their application.
Children are taught at primary school that not everyone gets to win and that sometimes life is not fair but that there is merit in trying to do your best.
Now what happens at home is another thing again and I agree that many in society have become accustomed to taking the easy way out when it comes to parenting and as a result have raised dependant and self absorbed individuals who struggle when faced with reality.

Rant over now back to the subject.

We have invested much in Jordan but if he doesn’t want to be here then we have to accept that and look to find a replacement either from within or elsewhere. He was drafted at pick 56 and so it was either great drafting or great luck either way we can do it again .
Any pick or player we can negotiate in return could possibly be classified as a win considering that initial pick.
Although I along with many others do feel that we have not exactly had the greatest of results in trades over the last few years so maybe we are due a good result.
As someone mentioned on an earlier post we had another 17 players on the field during the game he played and we need to focus on moving forward not looking back.

[COB]

I have no problems with Dawson wanting to return to S.A. He is entitled too. Doesn't owe the club loyalty in my opinion. People leave one employer for another all the time.
And I would be willing to take pick 17 and Ladhams or Hayes in exchange for Dawson and a late pick - maybe the compensation pick for Hewett if it is end of 2nd round or worse.

[U.S. Swan]

I didn't mean for this to turn into a complaint about society and the younger generation as a whole...rather the impact it has on the AFL. It is crazy, to me, to let players under the age of 25 dictate trades to other teams. Especially, when they are restricted. If that is the case, why even have restricted vs. unrestricted free agency? Also, do the person who invoked the NBA...does that what we want the AFL to turn into? Do we want players orchestrating their own trades and have the formation of "super-teams" that are all but guaranteed a championship? I would never watch the NBA because there isn't much of a point...you pretty much know which four teams are going to win...it's engineered (granted last season seems to be an anomaly). For the health of every team, this madness needs to stop. Players should be play until unrestricted free agency and then be free to choose their destination. Otherwise, some teams will never get off the ground (i.e. Gold Coast). I grant that the AFL culture in different to me...to some level I feel it is rigged. How any league can blatantly endorse a "compromised draft" and reward failure by giving a team TWO first round picks (and completely screwing the Demons over) is beyond me. But, as I indicated, maybe I just don't get it...