2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[waswan]

Only plausible reasons you let Hewitt walk

1) We offered 2-3 yrs and he wanted more
2) Concerns over his back that had him playing 6 games last year
3)Believe he is holding others out
4) Have someone else in mind

If he is getting 5 yrs, good on him and I dont think Sydney should be signing him to more than 3 yrs.
A star when allowed to get his own ball, a waste as a tagger.

[mcs]

Letting Hewitt go is a huge mistake. With Dawson gone offer him $500000x5. This will come back to bite us when Kennedy retires and Parker starts to slow down.

On Dawson I’d be sending him and our first rounder for Adelaides 1st pick. We are Getting ripped off and I hope Sydney’s mentality is to still keep both regardless of what is reported.

Key defender is a must this trade and hopefully P Mcartin comes out fully fit like never before and he came go back to playing key forward. That’s if we pick him up which we should.

See I think Hewett is a very underrated player, and good at what he does - but I don't agree that 'this will come back to bite us when Kennedy retires and Parker starts to slow down'.

I think as a collective, the rest of the midfield group (in particular Mills, but in various patches the younger guys) showed that collectively, we are reasonable well placed to cover the (saddening!) exit of Kennedy. Parker should still have 3 years of really, really top notch footy in him (injuries aside) - he will only just be reach Kennedy's age now at the time his 4 year contract is up.

My take is if the rest of the midfield group that is coming through is not good enough to cover the remaining part of Kennedy's output as it stands now, plus what Hewett has contributed which is more then a little bit relatively well by the 2023 season (I suspect next year we may tread water a bit per say in terms of performance - and that was before Dawson/Hewett went out), then we won't be anywhere near challenging for a flag anyway. That is in broad terms the punt we are taking.

[giant]

I think its a 4-year not a 5-year deal for George! But still very generous although the money per season is not huge. I'm sure he will give them good service. He has been good for our Club and I wish him well for the future. Hopefully, a second round pick comes to us in return which is pretty fair in my view.

4 year deal extremely generous I think, but kinda what you need to offer to get someone to move interstate I guess. Second round comp pick would be nice result after apparently not being able to give him away last year.

[Syd76]

Absolutely agree.

I would add, George was able to clamp down on certain players (and thus play a good run with role). Hardly ever saw him waste a disposal. Good luck to him. I wonder who we will use as a tagger next year? In my opinion Ryan Clarke (apart from his elite running ability) is nowhere near George's level.

[Syd76]

Running through our midfield options for next year:

Parker, Mills, Rowbottom, Warner, Florent, Stephens, Gulden, JMac would now have to be the first choices... add Paps and Heeney every now and then. JPK is coming closer to the end ..

I feel we are one contested beast too light on in our midfield. I wonder if the Swans would look at a Luke Dunstan?

[Captain]

Wish George the best. Hope he goes well at Carlton. I’m certainly not unhappy to lose him when we have so many promising young mids coming through.

[barry]

Seriously? You want the Swans to belly up to the risk/reward roulette table again?
Surely everyone on RWO now had at least a modicum of awareness of the downside of grandfather offers?

Have I misread the room?. I thought RWO group-think was that the buddy deal was a net positive.

[707]

Does anyone know what the compensation pick will be for the Hewett deal? I know it is worked out by the contract offer and length of deal etc so I'm sure there's some sort of formula???

Reckon Atkins went to the GC on almost the same deal last year 4 x $450k so that will be indicative of the compo pick but can't remember exactly what Cows got in return, sure that someone on here will know?

On the Buddy contract, no complaints from me, he has been a huge boost in multiple ways for us.

[Markwebbos]

Reckon Atkins went to the GC on almost the same deal last year 4 x $450k so that will be indicative of the compo pick but can't remember exactly what Cows got in return, sure that someone on here will know?

On the Buddy contract, no complaints from me, he has been a huge boost in multiple ways for us.

Atkins 5yrs @ $400k got them an end of second rounder (36). Seems about right for Hewett.

PS no groupthink on RWO, surely!

[liz]

Reckon Atkins went to the GC on almost the same deal last year 4 x $450k so that will be indicative of the compo pick but can't remember exactly what Cows got in return, sure that someone on here will know?

Adelaide gets compo pick as Crow flies north on lengthy deal

End of second round pick. This article reports the Atkins contract as 5 years @ $400k pa, which I guess is pretty close. Very similar ages too.

[COB]

[QUOTE=707;832693]Reckon Atkins went to the GC on almost the same deal last year 4 x $450k so that will be indicative of the compo pick but can't remember exactly what Cows got in return, sure that someone on here will know?

Agree with you. Crows got end of second round pick for Atkins. My guess is same for the Swans.

[Bangalore Swans]

Interested to hear more on MCS’s view that the Swans would be more interested in 2022 draft picks.

MCS, is your view based on the following:

- Academy class of 2022 is stronger than the 2021 class.

- Many junior players in Victoria have regressed due to not being able to play much football.

- Better to not have too many 1st year players in 2022.

If MCS view is sound, why don’t the Swans just ask for the Crows 2022 1st round draft pick in exchange for Dawson. Probably be pick range 5-8 in 2022.

On the salary cap, it is a easy process to rearrange a players contract to pay more money earlier in his contract if you suddenly have more salary cap available one year.

[707]

So if the VFL's secret formula is applied in the same way to Hewett, we'll get end of second round, currently 39 at best.

There are other factors that will push it around, more NGA selection matching players other than Daicos and Darcy who will be at the top of the draft, what picks Pies and Dogs accumulate before pick 39 that will extinguish in matching the bids, other lower ranked than us clubs receiving compo picks of end of second round or earlier will slot in before us.

But let's just assume it's letting Hewett go for pick 40. If Crows pick 23 is part of the Dawson deal, we'll have 12, 23, 31, 40 this year with the ability to convert some to say Dogs pick 17 or 2022 picks. Will be a fascinating if somewhat painful trade period and ND.

On last years Atkins deal, I thought GC were nuts for wanting Atkins at all, but then to give him 5 years! No surprise he struggled to get a game this year let alone the next four years, the ultimate list clogger. GC have done some of the worse trades in history since their inception and are still doing it.

[Aprilbr]

I think the Atkins free agent compensation is a likely precedent for George as both are the same age, both played a similar number of games (George slightly more at 120 v 100 games at the time) and the deals are similar (Atkins $400k for 5 years v George $450k for 4 years). Let's see what transpires!

[dejavoodoo44]

So if the VFL's secret formula is applied in the same way to Hewett, we'll get end of second round, currently 39 at best.

There are other factors that will push it around, more NGA selection matching players other than Daicos and Darcy who will be at the top of the draft, what picks Pies and Dogs accumulate before pick 39 that will extinguish in matching the bids, other lower ranked than us clubs receiving compo picks of end of second round or earlier will slot in before us.

But let's just assume it's letting Hewett go for pick 40. If Crows pick 23 is part of the Dawson deal, we'll have 12, 23, 31, 40 this year with the ability to convert some to say Dogs pick 17 or 2022 picks. Will be a fascinating if somewhat painful trade period and ND.

On last years Atkins deal, I thought GC were nuts for wanting Atkins at all, but then to give him 5 years! No surprise he struggled to get a game this year let alone the next four years, the ultimate list clogger. GC have done some of the worse trades in history since their inception and are still doing it.

Not quite sure how Carlton can sign anyone right now? The only players that they lost at season's end were Betts, Murphy and Casboult. Eddie was on the rookie list, while Murphy and Casboult were on one year deals. So none were likely to be on big money. And this year, they signed big money extensions for McKay, Walsh and Cripps. The previous year saw a similar deal for Weitering. They also apparently paid over the odds, to lure Saad, Williams, Martin and McGovern.

But somehow they not only have the money for George, they're also thought to be leading the race for the highly sought after Cerra. Doesn't quite add up?