2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[AppleCore]

The AFL would have been on shaky ground here. If the AFL had gone down that path, the Swans could have forced the AFL to look closely at other past actions, such as forcing the Swans - a foundation club - to pay millions of dollars in licence fees to keep other clubs afloat. None of the other foundation clubs had to pay licence fees.

The only club that has been treated worse by the governing body was South Sydney in the NRL. Fitzroy were also hard done by the AFL.

I thought that there was a thread on this site recently that examined who really controlled the Swans and that it came to the conclusion that the Swans are owned and controlled by the AFL. If so, the Swans board are very much constrained in what they can do.

[i'm-uninformed2]

The AFL would have been on shaky ground here. If the AFL had gone down that path, the Swans could have forced the AFL to look closely at other past actions, such as forcing the Swans - a foundation club - to pay millions of dollars in licence fees to keep other clubs afloat. None of the other foundation clubs had to pay licence fees.

The only club that has been treated worse by the governing body was South Sydney in the NRL. Fitzroy were also hard done by the AFL.

They would have been on strong legal grounds, but they would have been on the receiving end of every large and small bit of revenge possible - from bad scheduling draws to the loss of the academies to every other bit of nastiness the AFL could conceive.

“Yeah, we know it’s a bit odd to have a rule that only players from teams based at Moore Park can only kick with their non-preferred foot, but you can’t have everything.”

[MattW]

I've been waiting for overview article The Age publishes at the end of the day.

Here it is:

"Sydney want a swap of picks in the 30s to sweeten the deal, with the Crows giving up 33 and getting 39 back. But Adelaide are adamant only the future first round pick is on the table. While the Swans had threatened to allow Dawson to walk to the pre-season draft, the club is increasingly resigned to taking a pragmatic approach, even though they are of the view that Dawson is worth a top-10 pick.

Sydney, meanwhile, is also trying to negotiate a trade for Port ruckman Peter Ladhams, with the Swans confident of a deal getting done for the big man, who is contracted to the Power next year."

AFL 2021 trade period: Essendon Bombers’ Bobby Hill play is still on as AFL deadline day deals hang in the balance

[Aprilbr]

I've been waiting for overview article The Age publishes at the end of the day.

Here it is:

"Sydney want a swap of picks in the 30s to sweeten the deal, with the Crows giving up 33 and getting 39 back. But Adelaide are adamant only the future first round pick is on the table. While the Swans had threatened to allow Dawson to walk to the pre-season draft, the club is increasingly resigned to taking a pragmatic approach, even though they are of the view that Dawson is worth a top-10 pick.

Sydney, meanwhile, is also trying to negotiate a trade for Port ruckman Peter Ladhams, with the Swans confident of a deal getting done for the big man, who is contracted to the Power next year."

AFL 2021 trade period: Essendon Bombers’ Bobby Hill play is still on as AFL deadline day deals hang in the balance

If that's the stalemate issue, then just get the deal done! A difference of 6 places in the 30s is hardly a massive deal. Its just over 100 points in the draft points index. Equivalent to pick number 63!!

[ugg]

On the realfooty podcast (The Age) they said Port won’t accept 31 for Ladhams as they reason they can still get 31 for him next year and then the reporter Peter Ryan quickly added there’s some scurrying going on trying to get a pick in the 20s to satisfy Port

[liz]

On the realfooty podcast (The Age) they said Port won’t accept 31 for Ladhams as they reason they can still get 31 for him next year and then the reporter Peter Ryan quickly added there’s some scurrying going on trying to get a pick in the 20s to satisfy Port

Swans should call their bluff. I don't see how we're really that desperate for him, and it is Port that seem to want them off their list.

[Markwebbos]

On the realfooty podcast (The Age) they said Port won’t accept 31 for Ladhams as they reason they can still get 31 for him next year and then the reporter Peter Ryan quickly added there’s some scurrying going on trying to get a pick in the 20s to satisfy Port

We could swap picks 31 and 39 with the Pies for 27 and 46. Give 27 for Ladhams and just take the future first from Crows.

We’d have 12, 46 this year then the two firsts next year. We’d virtually have turned Hewett into Ladhams.

That might be as good as it gets. But I’m with Liz. I think they really want him off the books.

[liz]

I think at this stage I'd just take the Melbourne future first. It could be fun having a team to death watch next season. Melbourne were great this year but I'm not particularly confident they'll back it up. They had a pretty good run with injury, particularly with their best half dozen players. And if they fall, I think they could fall in a heap based on past years' performances. But I'd leave Adelaide with the message that we believe we've been short-changed.

As for Port, I'd tell them that pick 31 is all that's on the table. I'd tell them we've just been screwed over by Adelaide and we're not taking it from them too. I'd remind them that we traded them Aliir last year for a worse pick. And that (at least according to the AFL site) that we've agreed to take his full final year payments onto our books. If they have their eyes on someone like O'Meara (as is rumoured), that might clear the space they need.

[Roadrunner]

We could swap picks 31 and 39 with the Pies for 27 and 46. Give 27 for Ladhams and just take the future first from Crows.

We’d have 12, 46 this year then the two firsts next year. We’d virtually have turned Hewett into Ladhams.

That might be as good as it gets. But I’m with Liz. I think they really want him off the books.

Looks good to me Mark. Wouldn’t be surprised if KB does this or similar tomorrow. A good way to look at losing George, who has been very good for us but the reality is that our young group will fill the gap.

As for JD- unfortunately his timing caught us off guard and now we have to settle for what’s on offer.

Crows, your time will come!

[Aprilbr]

I think at this stage I'd just take the Melbourne future first. It could be fun having a team to death watch next season. Melbourne were great this year but I'm not particularly confident they'll back it up. They had a pretty good run with injury, particularly with their best half dozen players. And if they fall, I think they could fall in a heap based on past years' performances. But I'd leave Adelaide with the message that we believe we've been short-changed.

As for Port, I'd tell them that pick 31 is all that's on the table. I'd tell them we've just been screwed over by Adelaide and we're not taking it from them too. I'd remind them that we traded them Aliir last year for a worse pick. And that (at least according to the AFL site) that we've agreed to take his full final year payments onto our books. If they have their eyes on someone like O'Meara (as is rumoured), that might clear the space they need.

I agree totally, Liz.

[Ludwig]

Crows, your time will come!

I agree totally, Liz.

Yes and Yes!

[Thunder Shaker]

I'm wondering if there's more benefit to letting the Ladhams trade fall through and not proceed. It would sow some distrust in the Port Adelaide playing group, and they would have to pay a player $400,000 a year who really doesn't want to be there.

Wait until Ladhams is out of contract and try again then. We would be in a better bargaining position.

[MattW]

I'm wondering if there's more benefit to letting the Ladhams trade fall through and not proceed. It would sow some distrust in the Port Adelaide playing group, and they would have to pay a player $400,000 a year who really doesn't want to be there.

Wait until Ladhams is out of contract and try again then. We would be in a better bargaining position.

We want to win it next year and he'd help.

[Ludwig]

Patrick Lipinski went for pick 43. That's the kind of pick a team can expect when the player wants to leave to a specific club and their current club doesn't want him to stay. Port should be happy with pick 39 for Ladhams. We are holding the cards in this trade.

[tlock]

Hodor on Dawson. There's a good chance Dawson stays a Swan.
Hodor on Ladhams. We can get him next year for free.