2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Roadrunner]

I think we simply bank the future first. Use the next 12 months to identify established players that will take us to the next level and go at it with two first rounders. Too late to get an established player this year. Kids are great but we need to fill gaps for a proper tilt.

Agreed Smithy- welcome!

[dejavoodoo44]

Yep, all those cheese boards loaded up with French Triple Cream, the three week tour of every winery in the Yarra Valley,
skiing (ie drinking) in Aspen and then opening their own craft brewery/barber shop in East Melbourne, there won't be a
Demons player under 110KG at the start of next season. A number 1 pick for us. You can pencil it in now.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that the original purpose of the red yoke on their jersey, was to hide the shiraz and cab sav stains.

[SwanSand]

Interesting that Ladhams reportedly had behavioral issues. This was raised in his exit interview. Albeit they aren’t major. The knock on Ladhams is his tank. He hardly took a mark in that last final.
Pick 31 and no more, plus PA want to get rid of him. Not worth a first round. But he is 23 and can develop further. Would have preferred Sam Hays from PA instead

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Unfortunately I think the Cray is gone. It is heart wrenching but obviously his body has not held up.

We don’t need Peter to be the saviour next year. If he can bring the ball to the ground, give good enough service in the ruck, and then take a few marks in the wing or in f50 we would be happy with it. Could addition of Peter mean that we will try and make Hayden McLean into a defender?

[Bangalore Swans]

Yep, all those cheese boards loaded up with French Triple Cream, the three week tour of every winery in the Yarra Valley,
skiing (ie drinking) in Aspen and then opening their own craft brewery/barber shop in East Melbourne, there won't be a
Demons player under 110KG at the start of next season. A number 1 pick for us. You can pencil it in now.

To the contrary. I heard on trade radio that a number of Melbourne midfielders including Clayton Oliver were seen smashing The Tan earlier in the week. Big Max was also there hanging just off the back of the smaller endurance midfielders. What a talent, what a leader big Max is.

[mcs]

We don’t need Peter to be the saviour next year. If he can bring the ball to the ground, give good enough service in the ruck, and then take a few marks in the wing or in f50 we would be happy with it. Could addition of Peter mean that we will try and make Hayden McLean into a defender?

Amartey is the more likely of the two that we would try as a defender. Has played a little there in reserves if I remember rightly, but didn't look that comfortable (but was very young at the time). I'd doubt very much we will try to make McLean into a defender - just doesn't have the agility imho.

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To the contrary. I heard on trade radio that a number of Melbourne midfielders including Clayton Oliver were seen smashing The Tan earlier in the week. Big Max was also there hanging just off the back of the smaller endurance midfielders. What a talent, what a leader big Max is.

Turn that sarcasm radar on Bangalore - or else posts like that will go whoosh straight over your head

Saying that, much of what is heard on trade radio could easily be classed as sarcasm too.

[Ralph Dawg]

We don’t need Peter to be the saviour next year. If he can bring the ball to the ground, give good enough service in the ruck, and then take a few marks in the wing or in f50 we would be happy with it. Could addition of Peter mean that we will try and make Hayden McLean into a defender?

Hayden has the tank to play in defence. Covers alot of ground in a game, has good hands and is a big lump of a lad. Playing forward, tends to drift out of a game but in defence would be more accountable. With the number of 200cm plus key forwards coming on board, it's not the worst idea to try him back. Amartey with his athleticism could also be worth a try but more in the rebounding, intercept role.

[i'm-uninformed2]

We don’t need Peter to be the saviour next year. If he can bring the ball to the ground, give good enough service in the ruck, and then take a few marks in the wing or in f50 we would be happy with it. Could addition of Peter mean that we will try and make Hayden McLean into a defender?

I'm not sure we need to.

If we get Ladhams, I think we need to look at a collection of six players - Hickey, Ladhams, Bud, McDonald, Amartey and McLean.

Hickey won't play every game. He didn't this year. When he doesn't, we need Ladhams as first ruck and Amartey or McLean as 2nd.

Bud won't play every game. When he doesn't, McDonald will need bid bodied support given he is young.

McDonald won't play every game - which opens the door for Amartey and McLean.

When Hickey plays, we don't want Bud or McDonald playing 2nd ruck, so Amartey or McLean will.

It'll be a rotation of players, and lends itself more to a three tall structure up forward - particularly with Heeney pegged for more midfield time.

[mcs]

Hayden has the tank to play in defence. Covers alot of ground in a game, has good hands and is a big lump of a lad. Playing forward, tends to drift out of a game but in defence would be more accountable. With the number of 200cm plus key forwards coming on board, it's not the worst idea to try him back. Amartey with his athleticism could also be worth a try but more in the rebounding, intercept role.

I don't think McLean has enough agility to play back - but who knows.

[Ralph Dawg]

Likely summary so far:
Losses: Hewett Dawson Ling Brand Carruthers Gray
Gains: Ladhams
Still waiting: Wicks Reid Ronke Clarke BOC
Draft picks: 12, 31, 39, 70, 88

I would anticipate Wicks and BOC re-signing. Reid de-list if Ladhams comes onboard. Ronke and Clarke perhaps to stay on peanuts as depth.

Means we will be looking for 5-8 new players from here on, depending on list size.

[giant]

Well, we were left with little choice and read the writing on the wall. The Crows screwed us because they could.

Do we regret not taking pick 17? I'm glad we put up a fight even though ultimately it's just symbolic.

One advantage of having an extra first next year is that's when we also clear the Buddy salary out of our cap and might go hard at prising a young star out of another team. I've got my eyes on Lukosius.

I'm not at all convinced that the Swans would have acted any differently to the Crows if the tables were turned. They had all the power and used it accordingly. You could argue that it seems unfair that they do have all the power, but that's not the Crow's fault.

I was glad to see the Swans play hardball on a trade for the first time in years (bar Papley) but in the end we have very little to show for it. We're going to have to get much better at this time of year if we want to keep the talent coming into our program - could learn something from our western counterparts.

[Ralph Dawg]

If we give first rounder to Port for Ladhams, effectively equates to:
Aliir (AA defender) + 1st rounder for Ladhams (third ranked ruck at Port) + 2nd rounder.

Hats off to Port for their trading!

[AB Swannie]

If we give first rounder to Port for Ladhams, effectively equates to:
Aliir (AA defender) + 1st rounder for Ladhams (third ranked ruck at Port) + 2nd rounder.

Hats off to Port for their trading!

Aliir was not an AA defender for us. In fact, a long way from it. Hats off to Port for getting the most out of him but only the most optimistic would’ve thought that Aliir would go to the level he did this year.

Also, Ladhams was most definitely not the 3rd ranked ruck at Port this year and would likely be ahead of Hayes again next year at least. They are gambling that Hayes can take over from Lycett in a few years. Ladhams is ready to go and so they let him go now when he has good value.

[Mark26]

If we give first rounder to Port for Ladhams, effectively equates to:
Aliir (AA defender) + 1st rounder for Ladhams (third ranked ruck at Port) + 2nd rounder.

Hats off to Port for their trading!

We would be daft to give Port a first round pick. Second round pick at best. If they baulk, let's revisit at the end of next year.

[TheBloods]

I did wonder if JD’s decision was a case of ‘the Wag nagging the dog’ but I’ve come to believe this move was his intention all along & it’s left a bad taste in my mouth.

His partner has a name , look it up or just say "girlfriend "

[Markwebbos]

We would be daft to give Port a first round pick. Second round pick at best. If they baulk, let's revisit at the end of next year.

Yesterday they would have been with a first round pick swap plus 31. So surely there's no way we should be just handing over a first rounder for him today.