2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8492

    Originally posted by 707
    No. 37 and no. 39 not used in 2021, the former for obvious reasons

    Current vacant numbers are - 2, 15, 19, 29, 34, 37, 39, 40

    Give Corey Warner number 2 next to Chad :-)
    19 for Blayne O'Loughlin, if he's not tied to Adelaide?

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    • Aprilbr
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2016
      • 1803

      While recruiting Warner's brother and Micky O's nephew are appealing from a nostalgia oerspective, we should only go for them if we are confident that they represent good value at the draft pick where they're available, and if our recruiters are confident they possess the attributes to make it as league footballers. We don't have the luxury of gifting list spots based on name alone.

      Some will say recruiting Chad's brother will help us to keep him in the future, but we mainly need to trust our system and Club as the draws for him to stay. There are numerous examples of brothers drafted to different clubs who successfully played their careers out at their respective Clubs - the McVeighs come to mind!

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        Originally posted by troyjones2525
        Ronke was sensational that night and looked like becoming the next big success story from a lower draft pick but I must pull you up on one thing, he is not skilful, his skills are probably the lowlight of his make-up!

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        He was that night! His finishing and touch were exemplary. Seems to have suffered a crisis of confidence, but the skills are there however dormant.

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        • wolftone57
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2008
          • 5835

          Originally posted by Roadrunner
          That game against the Dawks was unbelievable. I remember Bruce McAvaney asking “where did this kid come from?”
          Sadly, he has never ever got anywhere near that form, so it must be due to the injuries he’s had. I think his kicking is still a major weakness but he must be showing something to be given another year. I guess the club wants to give all our players a fair opportunity, which is commendable and shows we’re more than just a business.

          Now it’s Clarke and Bell- I imagine 1 year extensions too if we can fit them in. Clearly mainly for VFL, but a bit of cover with Clarke, as at least he can get the pill and can tag a bit if needed.
          Would far rather Bell than Clarke. Clarke wastes the pill, his disposal efficiency is very low. I'd delist him. He has no contract so the time is right.

          I'd move Taylor on if he didn't have a contract.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by wolftone57
            Would far rather Bell than Clarke. Clarke wastes the pill, his disposal efficiency is very low. I'd delist him. He has no contract so the time is right.

            I'd move Taylor on if he didn't have a contract.

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            We're talking about depth players here. We probably have 4 or 5 players that we could bring in before we went this deep. Delisting only helps the salary cap (for the uncontracted players). There's not much benefit in delisting someone like Clarke to have another rookie pick. With such a young squad, it's going to be hard enough to create AFL playing time for some that really need it for development. There's only so many players worth adding to the list when it's hard to see spots opening up any time soon. Anyway, in a pinch, Clarke and Taylor are more than good enough to play senior footy.

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            • Ralph Dawg
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2018
              • 1729

              As it stands, we are 5 down on our list from last year. Going into the draft, we have picks 16, 31, 39, 70, 88.

              With the de-listings of Carruthers and Ling, as well as the losses of Dawson and Hewett (both who spent time rebounding our of defence), Josh Sinn would be an excellent get with 16. If we really rated him, we could try and trade up by packaging 16 and 39 for example. If Sinn is already taken then JVR is an obvious option but only if he is the best available player overall. We still have a need for a midfielder or rebounding back given our losses.

              In the 30's, Rhett Bazzo would be an option for our KP defensive stocks. With the re-signings of Gould, O'Connor and Reid, as well as the possibility of PMac coming onboard, I think the use of a pick in the 30s would be about right for a tall defender.

              I really like the look of Angus (Angry?) Anderson and his back story is great too. With his selection onto our list, it would strengthen our support in Northern NSW, just next door to the Sun's own backyard. We could match with 70 and 88 if he is bid on or take him as a rookie selection (Cat B?).

              Finally, I'd like us to take someone as a lockdown defender. We have had two of the best in Crouch and Smooch and Harry had a great 2021. There's no one on our current list I can see to replace Harry if he is injured. Would rookie listing Ling be an option if he's over his chronic injuries? Or do our people just not rate him?

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              • WomblingFree
                Warming the Bench
                • Sep 2021
                • 104

                Originally posted by MattW
                Yes and his composure hasn't improved.

                But, he was injured for two thirds of this season and a bunch of last season. So if they have a list spot available, I think it's reasonable to give him another year to see what he can do if he stays fit, with a full VFL season to build on.
                Losing Dawson has allowed us to be less brutal with list decisions

                Happy enough with what we’ve done. We’ve got lots of depth for next year.

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                • WomblingFree
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Sep 2021
                  • 104

                  Unless we have a player around pick 16 we are really keen on I could see us trading out pick 16 and have three first rounders next year.

                  Brisbane are an ideal target with their F/S Ashcroft next year who is an early first rounder.

                  A swap of our pick 16 for their 2022 first rounder plus their 2021 pick 41 for our 2022 second rounder?

                  Main reason is that I can see us being very very active next trade period

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                  • Aprilbr
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 1803

                    Interesting theory, Wombling, but it would leave us one short on our list this season. It would also mean bringing in no early pick whatsoever this season.

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                    • WomblingFree
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Sep 2021
                      • 104

                      Originally posted by Aprilbr
                      Interesting theory, Wombling, but it would leave us one short on our list this season. It would also mean bringing in no early pick whatsoever this season.
                      Not really April, all we’d be doing is pushing back this draft and forward in 2022.

                      Logic would be that Brisbane won’t use their first rounder in 2022 and will need points. If we feel this draft is the lottery everyone says it is then why not have three picks in the 30s?

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                      • WomblingFree
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Sep 2021
                        • 104

                        I can see us seriously trading next year.

                        Can see us going hard for Darcy Moore who will see Sydney as an attractive destination for many reasons.

                        We’ll try and get him for nowt but may need to trade.

                        And we’re renowned for stalking big forwards. Would be tempted to go for Ben King with three first rounders as bait?

                        Imagine Darcy Moore and King in our spine for the next 8 years?

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                        • Auntie.Gerald
                          Veterans List
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 6474

                          I couldn't help but wondering this morning.....if as Tom Harley saids we offered Jordan Dawson a serious long term contract ie maybe $600k pa and we valued his role for the future......whata re we doing with that money now?

                          Is it in pre paying a couple other players ie loading up a few contracts?

                          Is it being kept as a bit of a war chest along with Buddy's $900k which will be available come 2023?

                          Or ?

                          Hewett and Dawsos contracts would be approx $1m pa combined?

                          Or have players like McInerny, Warmer, Errol and Campbo really got on the radar of AFL clubs and we have had to save a few dollars ready for their contracts to increase?
                          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            I think we need most of it to try and keep all of our young talent. There are some big names coming out of contract including Heeney. The one that I see as the biggest flight risk is McDonald so we need to sign him early on in 2022. That will probably mean he wins a good contract based on potential.

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                            • i'm-uninformed2
                              Reefer Madness
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 4653

                              We have a bucket of talent coming out of contract next year, from players currently on big contracts like Heeney and Lloyd to ones who will have a claim for a solid upgrade like JMac, to McDonald and Gulden. A good chunk of the Dawson/Hewett money will get used.
                              'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                              • WomblingFree
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Sep 2021
                                • 104

                                Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                                I couldn't help but wondering this morning.....if as Tom Harley saids we offered Jordan Dawson a serious long term contract ie maybe $600k pa and we valued his role for the future......whata re we doing with that money now?

                                Is it in pre paying a couple other players ie loading up a few contracts?

                                Is it being kept as a bit of a war chest along with Buddy's $900k which will be available come 2023?

                                Or ?

                                Hewett and Dawsos contracts would be approx $1m pa combined?

                                Or have players like McInerny, Warmer, Errol and Campbo really got on the radar of AFL clubs and we have had to save a few dollars ready for their contracts to increase?
                                I suspect that some money went to upgrading Stephen' contract. Had Dawson signed I think he would have left. Whilst he would not be on huge money now I also think some may have gone to re-sign Reid who also may have been set free. The rest we should use to help secure re-signing our young talent with McDonald and Gulden the obvious priorities

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