2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Velour&Ruffles]

Lots of draft previews popping up now. According to one pundit, our draft needs are key defenders, ball-winning midfielders, key forward depth and defensive run. They feel that those likely to be available at our pick include Jacob van Rooyen, Josh Sinn, Tyler Sonsie and Campbell Chesser. We may also consider Leek Alleer, Rhett Bazzo, Angus Sheldrick, Mitch Knevitt, Sam Banks, Alastair Lord and Shay Linke. If you want to read more its at the following link (firewall I'm afraid).

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Not so keen on Lord - well regarded but not a lot of recent exposed form and serious questions about his pace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Lord

[Jimitron5000]

Not so keen on Lord - well regarded but not a lot of recent exposed form and serious questions about his pace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Lord

Fits Geelong's age profile perfectly.

[Markwebbos]

An informative article IMO regarding players about whom there are question marks including Draper, Sinn, Bazzo, Sonsie etc

AFL draft 2021 news: Prospects, rankings, draft range, Tyler Sonsie, Matthew Roberts, Arlo Draper, Rhett Bazzo

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Fits Geelong's age profile perfectly.

I hear he’s pretty quick for an 81 year old.

[i'm-uninformed2]

An informative article IMO regarding players about whom there are question marks including Draper, Sinn, Bazzo, Sonsie etc

AFL draft 2021 news: Prospects, rankings, draft range, Tyler Sonsie, Matthew Roberts, Arlo Draper, Rhett Bazzo

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I hear he’s pretty quick for an 81 year old.

I didn’t realise JVR was only 193cm.

Keen to hear from anyone who’s seen him play if he plays tall.

Rampe obviously has the smarts to beat big blokes, McCartin seems to have long arms so plays tall and appreciate we have a history of defenders like Leo and Craig Bolton, even Ted playing a bit taller than they were or having the footy nous to.

I guess my curiousity comes from we’re entering an age of giant tall forwards. The Kings are well over 200cm and going to terrorise defences for the next decade. Thilthorpe is 200 and elite. Harry McKay is a monster. The Darcy coming to the Dogs is 205cm and seems more KPF than ruck.

I get height isn’t everything and as I said above, blokes can play above their listed height. But when you have elite KPFs at 200cm or above, you need an extra special sauce to combat them.

Who’s seen enough of JVR to make a contribution?

[giant]

Sheehan never says anything negative about a player, pumps up everyone's tyres from pick 1 through to rookie picks. Twomey is fairly accurate from what I've read.

Twomey normally very good with the NSW players too - no doubt that's been a bit tougher of late!

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He joined the Swans in early 2018, so the one that really needs to come good is 2019: Stephens [?], Gould [?], Taylor, the Chad ?

Well that's taken the wind out of my sails. Could have sworn Stephens was a classic KB round 1 hail Mary.

[Markwebbos]

I don't know where I read it or if it was via an interview I heard but I'm sure Dalrymple was in charge of the Stephens pick but KB was heavily involved in the later picks.

AB Swannies claims Stephens is Dalrymple’s “fault”

[Auntie.Gerald]

im not to worried about the Dyl Stephens pick..............he is no Sam Walsh etc but i do think he will play a very valuable role out wide next couple of years

[Roadrunner]

A bit on trading strategies: let’s take Norf. They traded Ben Brown, who was their key forward and major goal kicker, in return for I’m not sure exactly what.Given they need a rebuild to be competitive again, what was their thinking? Were they thinking that one of the players they would pick up would turn out to be better? That’s a low percentage play, as he is still among the best tall forwards going around.

In our case, we traded Dawso as he was out of contract and had no other option. With AA who was contracted, I wonder if we should have held firm, played him at CHB, and found another way to get big Tom. I think contracted players should be off limits to other clubs- we don’t want to end up like European soccer where players move all the time irrespective of their contractual situation..

I think contracts must be honoured by both club and player. Sometimes it may not suit either party, but otherwise what’s the point?

[AppleCore]

A bit on trading strategies: let’s take Norf. They traded Ben Brown, who was their key forward and major goal kicker, in return for I’m not sure exactly what.Given they need a rebuild to be competitive again, what was their thinking? Were they thinking that one of the players they would pick up would turn out to be better? That’s a low percentage play, as he is still among the best tall forwards going around.

In our case, we traded Dawso as he was out of contract and had no other option. With AA who was contracted, I wonder if we should have held firm, played him at CHB, and found another way to get big Tom. I think contracted players should be off limits to other clubs- we don’t want to end up like European soccer where players move all the time irrespective of their contractual situation..

I think contracts must be honoured by both club and player. Sometimes it may not suit either party, but otherwise what’s the point?

Depends on what you mean by "honoured". There are all sorts of reasons why a player may fall from favour and no longer get games: they lose form, they are no longer suited to the game plan, someone else shows better form etc. Difficult to make rules about such a situation when breaking contracts can often work to the advantage of both parties and when the players are normally guaranteed to get their money whatever the outcome.

[Aprilbr]

Depends on what you mean by "honoured". There are all sorts of reasons why a player may fall from favour and no longer get games: they lose form, they are no longer suited to the game plan, someone else shows better form etc. Difficult to make rules about such a situation when breaking contracts can often work to the advantage of both parties and when the players are normally guaranteed to get their money whatever the outcome.

The current situation seems to have three extremes. The first is "in demand" players who can generally determine where they want to go if coming out of contract. There is little the Club can do to extract a fair deal reflecting their true market value as we found out with Dawson.

The second is "in demand" players who want to leave but still have one year or more left on their contract. The club is in a much better position to receive something decent in return for them should they decide to leave. Ideally, this is where you want to be as the incumbent Club but its not always possible.

The third is a player that the Club is not overly worried about losing but would rather keep. These players tend to be those that have been on the list for a while but are not deemed a key player. They maybe in and out of the team or one of the weakest players in the best team. Alternatively, they might be someone who has reached the dreaded age of 30. Their bargaining power is normally limited as other Clubs are not generally interested in trading for older players. Reid is a good example of this category. They generally re-sign on rolling one-year contracts and may even be rookie listed.

Most of the media coverage focuses on the first two categories but the reality is that the majority of players tend to be in the third category for most of their career. Of course, I've ignored the rules of free agency here but those are only useful to the player if someone else is actually interested in bringing them in.

[Markwebbos]

Depends on what you mean by "honoured". There are all sorts of reasons why a player may fall from favour and no longer get games: they lose form, they are no longer suited to the game plan, someone else shows better form etc. Difficult to make rules about such a situation when breaking contracts can often work to the advantage of both parties and when the players are normally guaranteed to get their money whatever the outcome.

Ben Brown is an interesting case study. Fell out with Rhyce Shaw and was all-of-a-sudden surplus to requirements. Didn’t they actually do a reverse-Dawson on him and withdraw an offer in the last year of his contract?

He got traded to the languishing Dees for not that much and a year later he’s a premiership player.

Funny how things turn out.

[rickmat]

Just noticed Sam Reid, Ronke and O'Connor signed for 1 season. Lewis Taylor will be delisted today and onto rookie list

[mcs]

Just noticed Sam Reid, Ronke and O'Connor signed for 1 season. Lewis Taylor will be delisted today and onto rookie list

Astounded Ronke has got another year. I would of thought he would of got the treatment Taylor got before Taylor did. Maybe part of it is trying to give Taylor the kick up the bum he may need to get fully fit - there is a very good footballer lurking in there, we all know that.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Interesting in the comments on Reid is the emphasis on flexibility, which further points to defence being an option for 2022. Assume it's a cheap contract anyway, so if that's the case, that's ok by me.

A bit surprised by Ronke, but the club must see something there they still think they can work with.

Reid to continue on in 2022

[707]

Final pieces of the puzzle slot into place. Is it only Clarke that is uncontracted?

Like everyone I'm surprised by Ronke getting another year, Reid was always getting a contract as he's a proven if somewhat fragile commodity and BOC has the potential to be a key player but has had a dreadful two years trying to learn the game.