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  • Bloods05
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2008
    • 1641

    Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
    I love it. Out of interest TheBloods, have you coached some football teams in your time?

    You seem like the sort of coach I would have loved. You would have given me a half time tirade that would have had me shaking. I would have then run out after half time fired up looking to atone. I would have run harder, tackled harder and been more accountable.

    I loved a good dressing down and you would a given storming dressing down.
    Personally I'd stop short of a spanking.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      Originally posted by Bloods05
      Personally I'd stop short of a spanking.
      One would hope that private messaging is used before it gets much further graphic than the current descriptors :P

      Back on topic, who is now left unsigned (as far as we are aware). Is it pretty much just Ronke?
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Bangalore Swans
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Mar 2021
        • 1049

        Originally posted by mcs
        One would hope that private messaging is used before it gets much further graphic than the current descriptors :P

        Back on topic, who is now left unsigned (as far as we are aware). Is it pretty much just Ronke?
        Ronke never built on his 2018 run and those two great games versus the Hawks and North Melbourne.

        I think the Swans move on.

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        • Roadrunner
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2018
          • 1447

          Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
          I love it. Out of interest TheBloods, have you coached some football teams in your time?

          You seem like the sort of coach I would have loved. You would have given me a half time tirade that would have had me shaking. I would have then run out after half time fired up looking to atone. I would have run harder, tackled harder and been more accountable.

          I loved a good dressing down and you would a given storming dressing down.
          Not sure if I could do it anywhere near as well as TB, but I’ve been known to give folks.a decent dressing down and not just at half time! So please just let me know when it suits and I’ll be happy to oblige!

          Just kidding………………. But you are funny, Bangalore!

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          • mcs
            Travelling Swannie!!
            • Jul 2007
            • 8149

            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
            Ronke never built on his 2018 run and those two great games versus the Hawks and North Melbourne.

            I think the Swans move on.
            Not saying I expect him to stay BS, just more we don't know one way or the other. Not delisted not re-signed.

            I'm astounded he hasn't gone already.

            Sent from my CPH2009 using Tapatalk
            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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            • dejavoodoo44
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2015
              • 8492

              Originally posted by mcs
              Not saying I expect him to stay BS, just more we don't know one way or the other. Not delisted not re-signed.

              I'm astounded he hasn't gone already.

              Sent from my CPH2009 using Tapatalk
              I don't think Clarke has got a contract either?

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              • Roadrunner
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2018
                • 1447

                Originally posted by mcs
                Not saying I expect him to stay BS, just more we don't know one way or the other. Not delisted not re-signed.

                I'm astounded he hasn't gone already.

                Sent from my CPH2009 using Tapatalk
                Ronke may have been offered around during Trade week but didn’t seem to arouse sufficient interest from the Crows- in the end they decided to opt for Dawso, but it took right up until the last day, so it must have been a close thing!

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Originally posted by WomblingFree
                  Well, there's a good chance they may not have landed him at all. He'd be able to puta price on his head and I guess that may have scared some clubs off. If he puts a high enough p[rice on his head I guess he can be confident about landing at the Crows but not entirely sure and the Crows would at least have to fork up a decent pick. WHat would happen in reality I feel is create enough uncertainty to force clubs to offer fair deals. Of course if the selling club is unreasonable then you send him to the draft and take your chances

                  I suspect a number of clubs with cap space would have had a go in the first round. Adelaide would have had to spolit their pick 4 I feel to get him and would have paid close to top 10 I feel.

                  The AFL have got to do something about this, especially if they pull this stunt again to shaft the Suns.
                  In 2009. Luke Ball of STK, one of the best players in the league, left STK for the ND wanted to get to Collingwood, whose 1st draft pick was 30. He got there.

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                  • mcs
                    Travelling Swannie!!
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 8149

                    Originally posted by Roadrunner
                    Ronke may have been offered around during Trade week but didn’t seem to arouse sufficient interest from the Crows- in the end they decided to opt for Dawso, but it took right up until the last day, so it must have been a close thing!


                    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                    I don't think Clarke has got a contract either?
                    I had forgotten about Clarke.
                    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                    • WomblingFree
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Sep 2021
                      • 104

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      In 2009. Luke Ball of STK, one of the best players in the league, left STK for the ND wanted to get to Collingwood, whose 1st draft pick was 30. He got there.
                      For starters this is over 10 years ago and we’ve moved on.

                      Secondly, so what? If all those clubs knocked him back and felt he wasn’t value before pick 30 then that is what the market at the time determined what he was worth. The fact he subsequently won a flag with the Pies is irrelevant

                      I’d suggest if we’d refused to play ball with Adelaide and been able to send him to the ND rather than the PSD he would have been a top 10-12 regardless of his salary demands. And we would have gotten a much better deal out of Adelaide as they would have known this

                      The current system stinks and it will only be when a big Melbourne Club gets royally screwed that it’s changed

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                      • TheBloods
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 2047

                        Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                        I love it. Out of interest TheBloods, have you coached some football teams in your time?

                        You seem like the sort of coach I would have loved. You would have given me a half time tirade that would have had me shaking. I would have then run out after half time fired up looking to atone. I would have run harder, tackled harder and been more accountable.

                        I loved a good dressing down and you would a given storming dressing down.
                        Not me , never . I'm as gentle as a lamb

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                        • lwjoyner
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 942

                          still no news as to whether wicks or mcclean have been upgraded

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Originally posted by WomblingFree
                            For starters this is over 10 years ago and we’ve moved on.

                            Secondly, so what? If all those clubs knocked him back and felt he wasn’t value before pick 30 then that is what the market at the time determined what he was worth. The fact he subsequently won a flag with the Pies is irrelevant

                            I’d suggest if we’d refused to play ball with Adelaide and been able to send him to the ND rather than the PSD he would have been a top 10-12 regardless of his salary demands. And we would have gotten a much better deal out of Adelaide as they would have known this

                            The current system stinks and it will only be when (INSERT AFL LOVE CHILD GOLD COAST NEXT YEAR HERE) a big Melbourne Club gets royally screwed that it’s changed
                            FTFY

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                            Originally posted by lwjoyner
                            still no news as to whether wicks or mcclean have been upgraded
                            I've found that these things are often unclear until the official AFL season guides appear in the New Year when you can finally see who is still on the rookie list. Covid has meant the AFL has been bending the two year and one third year rules for rookies.

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              Does the rookie list mean anything these days apart from 50% being outside the salary cap (up to $80K)?
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                              • Pmcc2911
                                Regular in the Side
                                • May 2013
                                • 516

                                Originally posted by WomblingFree
                                I see Wicks as having huge upside. A little more polish and output in front of goal and he will be a very very valuable player.

                                And like you I like his aggressive approach.

                                We're really building a good local core now - Rampe, Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Gulden, Campbell and now Wicks. Bell is growing too and maybe Sheather next year. It would be a remarkable result if we could get 50% or more Academy kids on our list
                                also Naismith a NSW local, Gunnedah via North Shore

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