2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Foreign Legion]

Thanks for the news on Lloyd neilfws - great to see a player look to be a 1 club player.

[707]

Lloyd three years, good one. Re-signings continue

[crackedactor 01]

Lloyd three years, good one. Re-signings continue

I think all this signings is a good sign. The Horrible GF loss could leave them scarred, but it seems they are still very much united.

[waswan]

Hickey still the #1
Reid Still good enough
Ladhams should be #1 by end 23 Mclean better learn to ruck better Amartey ditto Amartey
Naismith Token list spot, basically taking Sinks role

We dont need any more rucks
Mclean Amartey are the part timers that need to step up and take Reids role

Ladhams is good enough to pass Hickey next year

[Ludwig]

Gould has been pigeon holed as a backman.

That's because Gould has always played as a backman. He's never been out of the pigeon hole.

All this talk about needing to replace JPK with another big bodied midfielder is misguided and anachronistic. We have a very solid midfield as it stands right now. Their bodies are big enough. We have a wide bodied Wombat waiting in his burrow for the opportunity to join the fray. Our problem with centre bounces is with the coaching and tactics, not with the players.

It might well be true that Gould could be tried as a midfielder and he does have a big body, but we need him more as a backman than a midfielder.

We should use Heeney more in the midfield next year, primarily as an outside player, but occasionally at centre bounces. He's already a good round the ground stoppage player. Heeney needs to be near the ball more often. He's probably our best player, but can get shut down in a forward role. We have plenty of options forward.

If McAndrew isn't seen as good enough to be a #2 ruckman sometime down the line, he should be delisted, and his spot replaced by a young developing ruckman.
There are always options around, either through trades, state leagues and the draft. So many good ruckmen have come through the rookie draft.

[rb4x]

Hickey still the #1
Reid Still good enough
Ladhams should be #1 by end 23 Mclean better learn to ruck better Amartey ditto Amartey
Naismith Token list spot, basically taking Sinks role

We dont need any more rucks
Mclean Amartey are the part timers that need to step up and take Reids role

Ladhams is good enough to pass Hickey next year

Hickey held together by sticky tape
Reid is fragile and due to miss a year
Ladhams needs to grow a brain (unlikely)
McLean cannot ruck
Amartey is a lightweight and has been injury prone
Naismith probable gym attendant if he is kept

Heck we even had Gulden going up in the ruck. I never ever want to see that again.

I see no reliable ruck in our current list. We need a dependable ruck even if only as a backup.

[Ludwig]

Hickey held together by sticky tape
Reid is fragile and due to miss a year
Ladhams needs to grow a brain (unlikely)
McLean cannot ruck
Amartey is a lightweight and has been injury prone
Naismith probable gym attendant if he is kept

Heck we even had Gulden going up in the ruck. I never ever want to see that again.

I see no reliable ruck in our current list. We need a dependable ruck even if only as a backup.

They make pretty good sticky tape these days. Hickey will be okay for a couple more years, at least.

Ladhams doesn't need a brain; he needs a lobotomy. Should be done in the off-season and he'll be ready to go by Round 1.

Amartey is good enough as a forward-ruck. He just needs to hold down a forward spot after Reid retires.

Let's draft Isaac Keeler.

[Foreign Legion]

Hickey still the #1
Reid Still good enough
Ladhams should be #1 by end 23 Mclean better learn to ruck better Amartey ditto Amartey
Naismith Token list spot, basically taking Sinks role

We dont need any more rucks
Mclean Amartey are the part timers that need to step up and take Reids role

Ladhams is good enough to pass Hickey next year

McLean and Amartey will never be serious ruck options. Best to look at them as pure forwards.

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That's because Gould has always played as a backman. He's never been out of the pigeon hole.

All this talk about needing to replace JPK with another big bodied midfielder is misguided and anachronistic. We have a very solid midfield as it stands right now. Their bodies are big enough. We have a wide bodied Wombat waiting in his burrow for the opportunity to join the fray. Our problem with centre bounces is with the coaching and tactics, not with the players.

It might well be true that Gould could be tried as a midfielder and he does have a big body, but we need him more as a backman than a midfielder.

We should use Heeney more in the midfield next year, primarily as an outside player, but occasionally at centre bounces. He's already a good round the ground stoppage player. Heeney needs to be near the ball more often. He's probably our best player, but can get shut down in a forward role. We have plenty of options forward.

If McAndrew isn't seen as good enough to be a #2 ruckman sometime down the line, he should be delisted, and his spot replaced by a young developing ruckman.
There are always options around, either through trades, state leagues and the draft. So many good ruckmen have come through the rookie draft.

I floated Gould as a left field midfielder. Having seen him up close in the VFL this year I think he could adapt.

Not sure why you think we don't need a big bodied midfielder. To quote someone I detest "please explain"

[liz]

Tarryn Thomas “wrestling“ with handing in trade request at North Melbourne

SEN are reporting that Tarryn Thomas may be getting restless at North. He's one player - maybe the only player potentially on the move this off-season - who'd I'd love to see in red and white. I hate the idea of ransacking any club when they are down, but I could probably make an exception for North.

He had his issues this season, with suggestions he wasn't fit enough or committed enough, but any club who can get his head in the right place could have a top grader on their hands. And I think he'd complement our existing midfield group well.

[troyjones2525]

Tarryn Thomas “wrestling“ with handing in trade request at North Melbourne

SEN are reporting that Tarryn Thomas may be getting restless at North. He's one player - maybe the only player potentially on the move this off-season - who'd I'd love to see in red and white. I hate the idea of ransacking any club when they are down, but I could probably make an exception for North.

He had his issues this season, with suggestions he wasn't fit enough or committed enough, but any club who can get his head in the right place could have a top grader on their hands. And I think he'd complement our existing midfield group well.

Would absolutely love a fit and committed TT at our club as he's shown when he's at his best he's a very good player and still has A LOT of improvement left in him.

Just can't see it happening though unfortunately...

Somewhere I can see him going to is Geelong and I'll explain why.

I am extremely jealous and admire Geelong and how aggressive they are year in, year out at this time of year!

They just dominated us in a Grand Final and are now apparently talks to bring in not one, not two but THREE former first round picks via the trade period which includes getting pick 7 in the draft with the Bowes trade...

Yes it absolutely helps that the players want to go there (go home factor etc.) However I also think that it's there aggressive approach to continue to improve by utilising this period and talking to everyone that also plays a huge part! Chris Scott is also on board and helps recruit players too!

Kudos to them, they are a great club and will be for a long time. We are too, however I just wish we were more aggressive and ruthless this time of year, raiding the less fortunate clubs like some of our rivals continue to do...

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[Ludwig]

I floated Gould as a left field midfielder. Having seen him up close in the VFL this year I think he could adapt.

Not sure why you think we don't need a big bodied midfielder. To quote someone I detest "please explain"

In previous posts I referenced that there wasn't a strong statistical relationship between key midfield performance stats and body size. Some of the top inside mids, like Neale and Liberatore are smaller than most of our mids. The idea about the big bodies midfielder comes from the fact that we had a great one in JPK, combined with the like-for-like concept, which I also disagree with.

Chad is our smallest midfielder, and I have no problems about him not being big enough to win contested ball. The others are all pretty solid. We don't have a small midfield. We just don't have a Patrick Cripps type. It's easy to say we need a Patrick Cripps in our midfield, but how do you get that sort of player? You probably need to get one in the draft, because clubs are not likely to let them go.

Gus Sheldrick is like a pit bull. He's not tall, but plays a similar game to a big bodied midfielder in that he's a tenacious contested beast. So we probably already have the player we want on our list now.

We have a good midfield. We should play to its strengths. We don't need to remould our midfield to conform to some other kind of midfield which doesn't necessarily suit our game plan. If I could make modifications, I would tend more toward speed than body size as a path to improvement.

[troyjones2525]

The first article lists ESPN's evaluation of every team's list needs, followed by a 2 round phantom draft, so there's a lot of scrolling down to do to get to the parts about the Swans:

AFL 2022 Trade Free Agency Draft period every club's list needs ahead of 2023

I quite agree with their analysis, as they have Isaac Keeler, one of my favs, as our 2nd first round pick. There are several players that I feel could fill out our list very nicely with our 3 top picks.

I also like Max Gruzewski as a possible 1 round selection. I would be quite happy with Keeler and Gruzewski taken with our 1st rounders, which looks very possible.

BTW, Paddy Ryder is listed at 197 cm., so I don't think 198 cm is too short for a ruckman. Keeler is listed at 198 cm, and reminds me a lot of Ryder. I love ruckmen.

I gotta say Ludwig, those 2 selections in the phantom sound exactly what we need! Reading things like this gets me excited as I love this time of year and the hope it brings for the future!

BUT then I remember how we almost never select anyone we are touted to in the phantom drafts, even though many of us armchair experts on here believe it's a real need on our list (I'm not gonna concede we are never wrong [emoji6]) and we usually select someone who is rated far lower in most phantom drafts or someone we've never even heard of! Lol

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[waswan]

McLean and Amartey will never be serious ruck options. Best to look at them as pure forwards.

I dont see them as serious fwd options so they need to develop elsewhere to be a regular in the 22

[Foreign Legion]

In previous posts I referenced that there wasn't a strong statistical relationship between key midfield performance stats and body size. Some of the top inside mids, like Neale and Liberatore are smaller than most of our mids. The idea about the big bodies midfielder comes from the fact that we had a great one in JPK, combined with the like-for-like concept, which I also disagree with.

Chad is our smallest midfielder, and I have no problems about him not being big enough to win contested ball. The others are all pretty solid. We don't have a small midfield. We just don't have a Patrick Cripps type. It's easy to say we need a Patrick Cripps in our midfield, but how do you get that sort of player? You probably need to get one in the draft, because clubs are not likely to let them go.

Gus Sheldrick is like a pit bull. He's not tall, but plays a similar game to a big bodied midfielder in that he's a tenacious contested beast. So we probably already have the player we want on our list now.

We have a good midfield. We should play to its strengths. We don't need to remould our midfield to conform to some other kind of midfield which doesn't necessarily suit our game plan. If I could make modifications, I would tend more toward speed than body size as a path to improvement.

I will go out on a limb now.

I don't think Sheldrick is going to make it. I called Warner as a star after 5 games.

Doesn't mean I am going to be right and I bloody hope I'm wrong about Angus.

[Ludwig]

I will go out on a limb now.

I don't think Sheldrick is going to make it. I called Warner as a star after 5 games.

Doesn't mean I am going to be right and I bloody hope I'm wrong about Angus.

Be thankful that TB has been delisted, else you'd be in for a real tongue lashing.