2022 List management, trading, drafting

[MattW]

How's this for a (re)signing.

Papley signs a 5-year contract extension

Yesss. Fantastic work!

[Kafka's Ghost]

How's this for a (re)signing.

Papley signs a 5-year contract extension

Terrific news.


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[dejavoodoo44]

It's weird how it goes from "I'm in no hurry" just a couple of days before the GF to this announcement today.

Maybe after the grand final, our management decided that there was some scope for 'property development' in Sydney?

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Ryan Clarke's agent being interviewed now on Trade Radio. Looking very positive for another contract.

Good, I like Clarke (in moderation).

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Just outstanding. He's simply elite.

Yes, Tom Papley: perhaps one of the great rookie picks of all time?

[Ludwig]

I would definitely let go of Naismith. We need a developing younger ruckman, and he doesn't fit the bill. I don't know if we want to continue on with McAndrew as our 3rd ruckman or try someone new.

Twomey still has Isaac Keeler at #27, which is a bit further down than many others, but Twomey is usually pretty close with his calls. I wouldn't let Keeler get past our 2nd first round pick, unless there's something in his personality that doesn't sit well with Beatson. He could fill that developing ruckman role as well as being a good tall KPP prospect.

The Wombat plays like a Bull. Those thinking we need a JPK type player need look no further. Sheldrick is not tall, but is wide and plays with ferocity and speed. There isn't much correlation between bull midfielders and centre clearances. RWO favourite Caleb Serong has been one of the best young clearance players going around and is about the same size as Sheldrick, although Sheldrick looks a lot more bullish.

Chad also fits the bill for a clearance beast and should become a dominating clearance player soon; next year wouldn't surprise me at all. He's on that kind of trajectory.

[Roadrunner]

I would definitely let go of Naismith. We need a developing younger ruckman, and he doesn't fit the bill. I don't know if we want to continue on with McAndrew as our 3rd ruckman or try someone new.

Twomey still has Isaac Keeler at #27, which is a bit further down than many others, but Twomey is usually pretty close with his calls. I wouldn't let Keeler get past our 2nd first round pick, unless there's something in his personality that doesn't sit well with Beatson. He could fill that developing ruckman role as well as being a good tall KPP prospect.

The Wombat plays like a Bull. Those thinking we need a JPK type player need look no further. Sheldrick is not tall, but is wide and plays with ferocity and speed. There isn't much correlation between bull midfielders and centre clearances. RWO favourite Caleb Serong has been one of the best young clearance players going around and is about the same size as Sheldrick, although Sheldrick looks a lot more bullish.

Chad also fits the bill for a clearance beast and should become a dominating clearance player soon; next year wouldn't surprise me at all. He's on that kind of trajectory.

Agreed but not about Naismith. Ruckmen take years to develop and are among the most susceptible to injury. Now that he has almost recovered, we should give him a 1 year extension and hope his body holds. Even if he only plays half the games it will help Tom and Ladhams to share the load. Then if we do recruit Keeler or similar, they will have time to develop in the ressies.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I would definitely let go of Naismith. We need a developing younger ruckman, and he doesn't fit the bill. I don't know if we want to continue on with McAndrew as our 3rd ruckman or try someone new.

Twomey still has Isaac Keeler at #27, which is a bit further down than many others, but Twomey is usually pretty close with his calls. I wouldn't let Keeler get past our 2nd first round pick, unless there's something in his personality that doesn't sit well with Beatson. He could fill that developing ruckman role as well as being a good tall KPP prospect.

The Wombat plays like a Bull. Those thinking we need a JPK type player need look no further. Sheldrick is not tall, but is wide and plays with ferocity and speed. There isn't much correlation between bull midfielders and centre clearances. RWO favourite Caleb Serong has been one of the best young clearance players going around and is about the same size as Sheldrick, although Sheldrick looks a lot more bullish.

Chad also fits the bill for a clearance beast and should become a dominating clearance player soon; next year wouldn't surprise me at all. He's on that kind of trajectory.

Tend to agree with much of this.

Love Sam, and he's a seriously good tap ruckman, but there's a time to let go and sadly, that time has come.

Keeler is in the mix for our 17, but there's a few others as well around the mark, and I'm not opposed to us using 14 + 35 to get into the top 10 and target one of the elite talls.

And Chad, Rowie and Sheldrick are going to give our midfield real power in the next few years. The more I've reflected on the GF, the more I've come to the view that Blicavs was crucial to what happened. I read somewhere he spent more time on ball and had more CBAs than any game this year where he wasn't starting ruck. They clearly had a very specific plan for him.

We can't replicate that, as he is a truly unique beast. But the better spread of explosive midfielders we have, the harder it is for someone like him to dominate and crowd and create space.

[Ludwig]

Agreed but not about Naismith. Ruckmen take years to develop and are among the most susceptible to injury. Now that he has almost recovered, we should give him a 1 year extension and hope his body holds. Even if he only plays half the games it will help Tom and Ladhams to share the load. Then if we do recruit Keeler or similar, they will have time to develop in the ressies.

I think we should drop Naismith for several reasons. Firstly, he is far more likely to be injured than available to play. He's never shown the ability to stay fit very long. And he's only 1 year younger than Hickey.

Even with the suspensions and injuries to Hickey and Ladhams, we always had at least one available all season. We also have a few good backups beyond these 2 in Reid, Amartey and McLean, who can do a reasonable job short-term. That's a pretty good contingent of players who can ruck.

I do think we should devote 1 list spot to a developing younger ruckman. Having Naismith as a 4th ruckman spot seems over the top.

[KTigers]

When you look at the centre bounce numbers Ugg put up it appears the disparity isn't as bad as we thought. Maybe it is that we as
supporters notice the CB clearances the most because the CB is effectively a point in the game when play is being re-set and
starting again. Though coming 15th out of 18 in this area is clearly not good.

[KTigers]

How's this for a (re)signing.

Papley signs a 5-year contract extension

Yes, there is something satisfying about knowing that Papley is going to be annoying the @@@@ out of opposition players
and supporters until 2028.

[707]

Yes, there is something satisfying about knowing that Papley is going to be annoying the @@@@ out of opposition players
and supporters until 2028.

That's a number of key players who are now Swans for life. Shows the club in a great light.

[Ludwig]

I found this discussion about the ruck position between David King and Sam Edmund quite interesting.
David King is not sold on Brad Scott as Essendon AFL coach - SEN - YouTube

The discussion starts after 7 minutes, but I think it's worth listening to the whole piece as the first part has some very interesting points about the appointment of Brad Scott at Essendon, after being privy to confidential information at all the other clubs.

[stevoswan]

I would definitely let go of Naismith.

So we've just been paying him and rehabbing him for life after footy?

[Ludwig]

So we've just been paying him and rehabbing him for life after footy?

Yes.

He was contracted to the club. We were obliged to do so.

How would you respond to this question? Suppose everything about Naismith was the same, except that for all this time he was a GWS player, instead of a Swan. So now he's a delisted free agent. Do you think the Swans should give him contract?

[Bloods05]

Yes.

He was contracted to the club. We were obliged to do so.

How would you respond to this question? Suppose everything about Naismith was the same, except that for all this time he was a GWS player, instead of a Swan. So now he's a delisted free agent. Do you think the Swans should give him contract?

I see the logic of your argument, I just don't think there is the remotest chance of that happening. We're just not that kind of club, for better or worse.

[i'm-uninformed2]

I found this discussion about the ruck position between David King and Sam Edmund quite interesting.
David King is not sold on Brad Scott as Essendon AFL coach - SEN - YouTube

The discussion starts after 7 minutes, but I think it's worth listening to the whole piece as the first part has some very interesting points about the appointment of Brad Scott at Essendon, after being privy to confidential information at all the other clubs.

I’ve been wondering when someone was rightly going to raise that. Don’t get me wrong - I don’t imagine Scott snuck a batch of data and files down to his Mar-a-Lago, but the idea he hasn’t got some great IP in his head is absurd. And as King said, that role he had at the AFL needs clubs to take the person in the role into their confidence for it to work, which won’t be happening any more.