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  • Blood Fever
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 4048

    Originally posted by KTigers
    I'd be curious to see some stats on our clearances from the centre bounces and where we sit in the competition. There is
    nothing that drives me crazier than seeing the ball go straight back to where it just came from after the opposition scores
    a goal. I had to be restrained in a straitjacket last Saturday. Are these numbers somewhere on the interweb?
    I have that same reaction in too many games. Our biggest achilles heel.

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    • Jimitron5000
      Warming the Bench
      • Oct 2006
      • 455

      Originally posted by rb4x
      Do we blame our rucks for this ugly stat? If not who else?
      It's part of it, but not the whole story. Geelong were very effective at blocking our midfielders without a great deal of intention in going for the ball themselves. It took the contest from a 4 v 4 to a 3 v 3 or 2 v 2. One of Geelong's players that always went for the ball was Dangerfield and in an even contest he will win most of the them.

      This one, I think is more on the coaches.

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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1479

        Originally posted by rb4x
        Do we blame our rucks for this ugly stat? If not who else?
        Pretty much, and their very effective blocking tactics. Big Tom tried hard but was gassed- didn’t see him at the end of the game at all. Sammy couldn’t contribute and by the time McLean came on it was all over red rover.

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        • Dow
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2022
          • 840

          For me I guess I agree with Ludwig and a little with AG, organic growth currently seems to be the best bet and have the flexibility that if the right person comes along we have a crack.

          This year I would love us to focus on a couple of talls and 1 midfielder.

          As for Francis IF Melican wants out I’d be keen to have him board to help cover.

          Just my 2 cents

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          • Blood Fever
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 4048

            Originally posted by Dow
            For me I guess I agree with Ludwig and a little with AG, organic growth currently seems to be the best bet and have the flexibility that if the right person comes along we have a crack.

            This year I would love us to focus on a couple of talls and 1 midfielder.

            As for Francis IF Melican wants out I’d be keen to have him board to help cover.

            Just my 2 cents
            Worth the same as everyone else's

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            • liz
              Veteran
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 16770

              Sydney Swans delist Rising Star winner Lewis Taylor, Irish defender Barry O'Connor

              I'm sad that BOC wasn't able to fulfill his dream. But not surprising that he's been let go, I guess.

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              • rb4x
                Regular in the Side
                • Dec 2007
                • 968

                Originally posted by liz
                Sydney Swans delist Rising Star winner Lewis Taylor, Irish defender Barry O'Connor

                I'm sad that BOC wasn't able to fulfill his dream. But not surprising that he's been let go, I guess.
                Does that leave Clarke, Bell, Ronke and MacAndrew as the only players in the waiting room without a contract in front of them at present.

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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16770

                  Originally posted by rb4x
                  Does that leave Clarke, Bell, Ronke and MacAndrew as the only players in the waiting room without a contract in front of them at present.
                  Naismith? Or did I miss where we've re-signed him to a new five year deal?

                  I don't think we'd necessarily know if any of the four you listed have been offered contracts.

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                  • KTigers
                    Senior Player
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 2499

                    Originally posted by rb4x
                    Do we blame our rucks for this ugly stat? If not who else?
                    But do we blame the rucks? So many of the ruck contests are inconclusive. It's very rare for a ruckman to tap the ball
                    straight into the arms of one of his mids. Mills/Parker/Rowy/Warner are no slouches and yet we seem to lose the centre
                    bounces clearances a lot more times than we win them. Are our guys being creatively blocked by opposition teams on
                    a consistent basis? If that's the case, we should be awake up to it.
                    As a supporter/viewer, man it's frustrating to watch happen time and time again. Even if we could win 50% of them,
                    I'd be okay with that. Be really interesting to see of CB stats over the whole season.

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                    • KTigers
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 2499

                      Originally posted by liz
                      Naismith? Or did I miss where we've re-signed him to a new five year deal?

                      I don't think we'd necessarily know if any of the four you listed have been offered contracts.
                      Yes, a nine year, ten million dollar deal for Sam to look after the gym and rehab equipment at the club. No one knows that gear
                      as well as he does. He will be the highest paid gym attendant in the history of the AFL.

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                      • MattW
                        Veterans List
                        • May 2011
                        • 4218

                        Originally posted by liz
                        Naismith? Or did I miss where we've re-signed him to a new five year deal?

                        I don't think we'd necessarily know if any of the four you listed have been offered contracts.
                        I think this is the most recent update on record (11/09/22):

                        '[Naismith] is out of contract at the end of this season and an unrestricted free agent and says he has an eye on returning to AFL level as soon as possible next year.'

                        'Cautious approach' for Swans big man after third reco - 'Cautious approach' for Swans big man Sam Naismith after third reco

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                        • ugg
                          Can you feel it?
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15970

                          Originally posted by KTigers
                          I'd be curious to see some stats on our clearances from the centre bounces and where we sit in the competition. There is
                          nothing that drives me crazier than seeing the ball go straight back to where it just came from after the opposition scores
                          a goal. I had to be restrained in a straitjacket last Saturday. Are these numbers somewhere on the interweb?
                          We can't compare the raw numbers in absolute terms as different teams will have a different number of centre bounces per game. We can use a proportionate scale of how many centre clearances v how many opposition centre clearances. The numbers looks like below



                          There doesn't appear to be any direct correlation between being good at centre clearances and being successful. The premiers are 2nd, but the other 3 prelim finalists are 9th, 15th, and 16th respectively. Even in the Grand Final, we were credited with winning the centre clearances 14-13. A better stat would be clearances leading to a score (inside 50 perhaps), or centre clearances where possession was kept after the clearing kick/handball but these don't appear to be publicly available.

                          Having said all that, I still think it is an area we can improve in for next year.
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                          • rb4x
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 968

                            Originally posted by liz
                            Naismith? Or did I miss where we've re-signed him to a new five year deal?

                            I don't think we'd necessarily know if any of the four you listed have been offered contracts.
                            Forgot about our inactive list. If he gets a new deal he would be on the senior list. Just checking at how many senior delistings we need. Assuming we draft three and we have three retirements at present. Paddy has apparently been moved to the senior list but not Fox so someone will need to let go for him and the same for Sam if we keep him. Can all change of course with trading but I don't see any of our contracted players leaving or Lloyd or Cunningham who have contracts in front of them. Not looking good for those in the waiting room.

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                            • liz
                              Veteran
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16770

                              Originally posted by rb4x
                              Forgot about our inactive list. If he gets a new deal he would be on the senior list. Just checking at how many senior delistings we need. Assuming we draft three and we have three retirements at present. Paddy has apparently been moved to the senior list but not Fox so someone will need to let go for him and the same for Sam if we keep him. Can all change of course with trading but I don't see any of our contracted players leaving or Lloyd or Cunningham who have contracts in front of them. Not looking good for those in the waiting room.
                              As I understand the rules, McLean and Wicks also need to be promoted to the senior list, having spent three years on the rookie list.

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                              • rb4x
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 968

                                Originally posted by liz
                                As I understand the rules, McLean and Wicks also need to be promoted to the senior list, having spent three years on the rookie list.
                                Ah those mysterious flexible and as far as I know unpublished 2022 version of the rules. Maybe time for a coffee with Gil before he goes. Clarke, Bell and Ronke must be all in big trouble as they explore their very limited options.

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