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  • Aprilbr
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2016
    • 1803

    Originally posted by rickmat
    The comments about Stephens reminds of Dawson who was in the reserves wilderness for 2-3 years before he blossomed and was given his chance in the seniors. And Dawson didn't go through 2 years of Covid hell which Stephens has and which has stymied his progress, like many others. So we need to give Stephens some more time to find the form and talent he showed before he was recruited.
    I really hope that you're correct, RM.

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    • TheBloods
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Feb 2020
      • 2047

      Originally posted by rickmat
      The comments about Stephens reminds of Dawson who was in the reserves wilderness for 2-3 years before he blossomed and was given his chance in the seniors. And Dawson didn't go through 2 years of Covid hell which Stephens has and which has stymied his progress, like many others. So we need to give Stephens some more time to find the form and talent he showed before he was recruited.
      Agreed . Pretty unfair to pile on a kid whose biggest issue is obviously his confidence ! He will come good but needs to believe and work hard

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        I don't think anyone is piling on criticism of Stephens. It's more a recognition that he hasn't been playing at the level most of us expected of him. And this has been confirmed by the fact that Bell and now Ryan Clarke have moved into the emergencies ahead of him. That's just a reflection of where his game is at right now.

        I think Stephens has plenty to work with. He's quick, he's a hard runner and good kick when he has the time to find a target. He just needs to make better decisions faster, perhaps by finding ways to create a bit more space for himself so he gets those few extra milliseconds to assess what's around him. This usually happens with experience. So there's every reason to believe it will happen to Stephens and we can see him play to his potential.

        Dawson was one of the best players we've ever had to play extended periods in the Reserves. He was unfortunate to suffer several injuries during his first few years which delayed his move to the senior side. Some have said we are missing Hewett this year, but it's Dawson who we are really missing and there was hope that Stephens would help fill the void left by Dawson. Perhaps it will happen in due course, but It's just not happening now.
        Last edited by Ludwig; 5 May 2022, 09:04 PM.

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        • ugg
          Can you feel it?
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 15961

          Dawson came runner up in the NEAFL mvp one year (and could have won it if he didn’t sit out one game as an unused senior emergency) so I don’t really see the comparison.
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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            Originally posted by ugg
            Dawson came runner up in the NEAFL mvp one year (and could have won it if he didn’t sit out one game as an unused senior emergency) so I don’t really see the comparison.
            What comparison are you referring to?

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            • ugg
              Can you feel it?
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 15961

              This comparison.

              Originally posted by rickmat
              The comments about Stephens reminds of Dawson who was in the reserves wilderness for 2-3 years before he blossomed and was given his chance in the seniors. And Dawson didn't go through 2 years of Covid hell which Stephens has and which has stymied his progress, like many others. So we need to give Stephens some more time to find the form and talent he showed before he was recruited.
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              • ugg
                Can you feel it?
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 15961

                In: Amartey Bell Fox Hickey McAndrew Reid
                Out: Anderson Cordell Edwards Geddes Hughes Pfrengle
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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  At least 2 should drop out for a medisub plus one emergency for the GC game. Maybe Clarke and Reid. Just guessing.

                  Good to see Fox back playing again. We have a healthy list atm. Only Sheldrick looks to be out for multiple weeks.

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                  • dejavoodoo44
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8490

                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    At least 2 should drop out for a medisub plus one emergency for the GC game. Maybe Clarke and Reid. Just guessing.

                    Good to see Fox back playing again. We have a healthy list atm. Only Sheldrick looks to be out for multiple weeks.
                    Yes, I was pleased to see Fox. And Hickey: though I wonder if he's scheduled to play a full game, or just ease back into it? And McAndrew. I got the feeling that before he was injured, a McAndrew cult was just starting to develop and I'd like to see that grow.

                    Though of course, I would also like to see the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of the game live, but thanks to the geniuses who scheduled it to clash with our game against the Suns, that won't be possible.

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                    • crackedactor 01
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jun 2020
                      • 730

                      Competitive

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      At least 2 should drop out for a medisub plus one emergency for the GC game. Maybe Clarke and Reid. Just guessing.

                      Good to see Fox back playing again. We have a healthy list atm. Only Sheldrick looks to be out for multiple weeks.
                      We have been very poor in the last few weeks. Surely with these names in the side we will be at least competitive.

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                      • rickmat
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 500

                        With respect, Ugg, my comparison between Dawson and Stephens was made as Dawson played 3 years in the reserves before he achieved seniors games. He may have won NEAFL B&F in a year and in fact Darcy Cameron won one year too. My comments were made to shed a bit of a comparison between both players as they both spent a few years in the reserves. I was one of those, like you and Ludwig, who were asking why Dawson hadn't been given a chance in the seniors. So I will agree to respectfully disagree in this case and hope Stephens follows the same road as Dawson.

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          Originally posted by ugg
                          Dawson came runner up in the NEAFL mvp one year (and could have won it if he didn’t sit out one game as an unused senior emergency) so I don’t really see the comparison.
                          Dawson after his injuries was on fire in the ressies in his third season and looked a jet, he should have made his debut at that time (as we on here told the MC numerous times!) but they kept selecting ? who was never as good as Dawson in the ressies and who eventually got delisted.

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                          • ugg
                            Can you feel it?
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15961

                            Originally posted by rickmat
                            With respect, Ugg, my comparison between Dawson and Stephens was made as Dawson played 3 years in the reserves before he achieved seniors games. He may have won NEAFL B&F in a year and in fact Darcy Cameron won one year too. My comments were made to shed a bit of a comparison between both players as they both spent a few years in the reserves. I was one of those, like you and Ludwig, who were asking why Dawson hadn't been given a chance in the seniors. So I will agree to respectfully disagree in this case and hope Stephens follows the same road as Dawson.
                            I also hope Stephens makes it but for me the difference is while Dawson did take 2-3 years to establish himself as a core member of the senior side, he was dominating the in the reserves while doing so. Stephens has not had such an impact as yet.
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                            • chalbilto
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1139

                              Originally posted by ugg
                              I also hope Stephens makes it but for me the difference is while Dawson did take 2-3 years to establish himself as a core member of the senior side, he was dominating the in the reserves while doing so. Stephens has not had such an impact as yet.


                              Hey Ugg do you think that the lack of impact by Stephens could be a "confidence" thing?

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                              • COB
                                Pushing for Selection
                                • Jan 2021
                                • 89

                                Originally posted by crackedactor 01
                                We have been very poor in the last few weeks. Surely with these names in the side we will be at least competitive.
                                With the team listed even minus the likely withdrawal of Clarke and Reid I am expecting or least hoping for a 50 point victory against Weribee.

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