Sydney vs Collingwood Match Thread

[gloveski]

Absolutely, would welcome him back in a heartbeat, and watching Stephens get the wobbles in that 3Q yesterday, he may be back before we know it.

I though Stephens was good some of his fast feet through traffic was a delight to see . He had a disposal efficiency of 76% and 406 metres gained 1 Clanger and 2 turnovers from his 21 touches . He ain’t going anywhere.


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[i'm-uninformed2]

One of my highlights from the game that seem to have been overlooked is this one where with about 7.30 or so to play in the first quarter Sam out positions Mason Woods and takes the ball from the throw in handballs to Ollie who sells some awesome candy and kicks to Lance who while standing in an attempted tackle hands off to Isaac who overshoots the handball to Dylan but James who is following up ( along with what appeared to be three other Swans ) gathers the loose ball and then handballs to Luke who passed to Callum who then finds Ollie who while dragging a Collingwood player along during an attempted tackle gives off a 20 metre handball to Tom who palms off a defender and goals leaving two Collingwood players in his wake crashing into each other
Why did I like this so much when compared to the other goals ?
1 ) It showed how much upper body strength our players seem to have developed over the last 12 months .Ollie in particular is now a ball of muscle and seems to be able to break tackles easily.
2) It highlighted how important and more specifically how smart Sam is to our team now
3) The willingness to run and carry and have confidence in your teammates was unmistakable. At every stage the Swans player seemed confident that someone would be on the receiving end of the ball movement.
4) It involved a few of our “ superstars “ who played in such a team orientated way during that passage that I can’t help but feel this is one of the best drilled Swans teams ever.
5) it made me smile ????

Great post.

Because I'm avoinding some work I don't want to be doing, I've just rewatched the last quarter. The stretch between Ramp's save and Bud's goal a few minutes later contains so many special efforts. There's:

* Rampe's effort itself, but also the absolute gut running of Rowie and Stephens who'd started that play in our f50 and then ran hard back to be part of the clean up, just burning off their opponents through sheer work rate.
* Rampe again spoiling then being part of the handball chain that clears the ball when the Pies come back into our d50 within another 30 seconds
* Mills has about four or five hardball wins in two minutes when the Pies are coming at us like they hadn't all day
* T McCartin getting a crucial arm into spoil Johnson on the line when Elliot's shot at goal falls short
* Ollie winning the very next contest a second later, then bouncing back to his feet to use his dancing feet to start clearing the pressure in the back pocket
* Heeney's contest on the wing, clearance, then surging run forward (and Buddy started on the wing too)
* And of course, Heeney's tap to Bud and Bud's freak goal.

Just special.

[Faunac8]

Firstly Mason Woods plays for St Kilda and should have never been allowed on the field. But I agree on Sammy Reid being a completely different player this year and now is a very valued member of the Swans.

Firstly apologies on my behalf yes of course I did mean the big Texan/ Australian Mason Cox .

[Hotpotato]

Great post.

Because I'm avoinding some work I don't want to be doing, I've just rewatched the last quarter. The stretch between Ramp's save and Bud's goal a few minutes later contains so many special efforts. There's:

* Rampe's effort itself, but also the absolute gut running of Rowie and Stephens who'd started that play in our f50 and then ran hard back to be part of the clean up, just burning off their opponents through sheer work rate.
* Rampe again spoiling then being part of the handball chain that clears the ball when the Pies come back into our d50 within another 30 seconds
* Mills has about four or five hardball wins in two minutes when the Pies are coming at us like they hadn't all day
* T McCartin getting a crucial arm into spoil Johnson on the line when Elliot's shot at goal falls short
* Ollie winning the very next contest a second later, then bouncing back to his feet to use his dancing feet to start clearing the pressure in the back pocket
* Heeney's contest on the wing, clearance, then surging run forward (and Buddy started on the wing too)
* And of course, Heeney's tap to Bud and Bud's freak goal.



Just special.

Now I’ll go and watch it again . I’m getting nothing done either .

[0918330512]

Yeah, I agree to an extent....and was shouting "stop putting his face up on the big screen then, it's making our fans look bad"....but the sooking from Vic journo's is over the top frankly. They'll clutch at straws sometimes just to make the Swans look bad it seems......and some Pies fans and the Pies player who brought it up have very short memories it seems when one considers what Goodsey had to endure for months on end.

But nothing. Irrespective of “Vic journo’s” it’s fairly pathetic from our offending supporter group. As a supporter group, our complaints against other Goodsey booing supporters will now inevitably be viewed as hypocritical.

And as for Pies fans and players having short memories, we would have better moral high ground if our fans didn’t commit a similar offences. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[stellation]

Firstly apologies on my behalf yes of course I did mean the big Texan/ Australian Mason Cox .

I generally like Mason, but I sure do hope that Tom McCartin found him towards the end of the game and suggested "Scoreboard, bitch."

[giant]

I though Stephens was good some of his fast feet through traffic was a delight to see . He had a disposal efficiency of 76% and 406 metres gained 1 Clanger and 2 turnovers from his 21 touches . He ain’t going anywhere.


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It's not my intention to be negative about what was a tremendous win, or to become Dylan's TB, but in a relatively critical 5 min period in the 3Q he coughed up an easy intercept mark under no pressure, didn't protect the ball at a stoppage which led directly to a Pies shot, and didn't go back with the flight to a kick that was clearly intended for him. The question you have to ask yourself is: could he be trusted in a big final? Now, even our leaders were making some terrible calls in that last qr and there were plenty of other positives about his game, but coming in a rush like they did at a time when it got particularly hot didn't make me feel any more secure about him.

Is it absolutely clear that the McCartin over the goal-line free was wrong, because otherwise I simply don't understand that rule? Could have been a very costly mistake.

[Blood Fever]

I though Stephens was good some of his fast feet through traffic was a delight to see . He had a disposal efficiency of 76% and 406 metres gained 1 Clanger and 2 turnovers from his 21 touches . He ain’t going anywhere.


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+1... starting go get a lot more of the ball. I would like to see him run even more with the ball in hand instead of getting rid of it quickly. Growing in confidence.

[dejavoodoo44]

But nothing. Irrespective of “Vic journo’s” it’s fairly pathetic from our offending supporter group. As a supporter group, our complaints against other Goodsey booing supporters will now inevitably be viewed as hypocritical.

And as for Pies fans and players having short memories, we would have better moral high ground if our fans didn’t commit a similar offences. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Well, no. While it was probably unnecessary to boo Ginnivan after he was taken off, I have no sympathy for the booing that he cops, because he's entirely brought it on himself. Once he stops flagrantly staging for free kicks, he'll find that the booing will stop. And it's no use people claiming that he doesn't stage, because the AFL have actually given a directive to the umpires, to be less inclined to pay high contact frees, because it was obvious to pretty well everyone that he was relentlessly play acting. So, do you really think that fans won't give him the negative feedback that he so richly deserves? Are opposition supposed to happily accept charity goals given against their team?

And any comparison to the Goodes situation is very much false equivalence. Goodes did not have any sort of history of flagrantly staging for frees. Sometimes he put his hands in the air and appealed when being held without the ball, like about 90% of the players in the competition. The myth that Goodes staged, was largely put out there by racist trolls, to deflect from the fact that he was the victim of an ugly media campaign, by some high profile, far right commentators: Bolt, Jones, Devine, etc. Adam was attacked by those people, because he was a high profile indigenous athlete, who made some mild comments about indigenous disadvantage, which disagreed with their propaganda that there was no such thing.

[Matty10]

It's not my intention to be negative about what was a tremendous win, or to become Dylan's TB, but in a relatively critical 5 min period in the 3Q he coughed up an easy intercept mark under no pressure, didn't protect the ball at a stoppage which led directly to a Pies shot, and didn't go back with the flight to a kick that was clearly intended for him. The question you have to ask yourself is: could he be trusted in a big final? Now, even our leaders were making some terrible calls in that last qr and there were plenty of other positives about his game, but coming in a rush like they did at a time when it got particularly hot didn't make me feel any more secure about him.

There’s always a trade off when developing young players. You have to be prepared to wear some of those shortcomings as a player develops confidence.

The question that I would ask would be whether he is improving. I think he is, but like you I do get a little nervous at times.

Selection is always a tricky situation during finals with a full list to choose from. Coaches quite often select the more trusted, experienced option over youth (McLean over Reid a notable exception in last year’s loss). It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[royboy42]

Well, no. While it was probably unnecessary to boo Ginnivan after he was taken off, I have no sympathy for the booing that he cops, because he's entirely brought it on himself. Once he stops flagrantly staging for free kicks, he'll find that the booing will stop. And it's no use people claiming that he doesn't stage, because the AFL have actually given a directive to the umpires, to be less inclined to pay high contact frees, because it was obvious to pretty well everyone that he was relentlessly play acting. So, do you really think that fans won't give him the negative feedback that he so richly deserves? Are opposition supposed to happily accept charity goals given against their team?

And any comparison to the Goodes situation is very much false equivalence. Goodes did not have any sort of history of flagrantly staging for frees. Sometimes he put his hands in the air and appealed when being held without the ball, like about 90% of the players in the competition. The myth that Goodes staged, was largely put out there by racist trolls, to deflect from the fact that he was the victim of an ugly media campaign, by some high profile, far right commentators: Bolt, Jones, Devine, etc. Adam was attacked by those people, because he was a high profile indigenous athlete, who made some mild comments about indigenous disadvantage, which disagreed with their propaganda that there was no such thing.

Well put, Deja.

[Ludwig]

It's not my intention to be negative about what was a tremendous win, or to become Dylan's TB, but in a relatively critical 5 min period in the 3Q he coughed up an easy intercept mark under no pressure, didn't protect the ball at a stoppage which led directly to a Pies shot, and didn't go back with the flight to a kick that was clearly intended for him. The question you have to ask yourself is: could he be trusted in a big final? Now, even our leaders were making some terrible calls in that last qr and there were plenty of other positives about his game, but coming in a rush like they did at a time when it got particularly hot didn't make me feel any more secure about him.

I have many of the same concerns about Stephens as you do. But I think back at how many errors Hayward has made over his development journey, now in its 6th year, and just what a fine player he's become.

Stephens has a good skill set, but it looks as though he is going to take some time to get the whole package right. I think we just have to persist with him and let time and a long on the job training period take him to the high level of play he should be capable of. I have accepted that there is going to be some pain along the way.

It seems that his main function is to play the fat side rover, running up and down the opposite side of the ground the ball is on, at least until there is a switch in play. He's well suited for this, as his pace and high capacity running can cut down on successful opposition switches in play. He makes a lot of kicking errors, but he can kick it long to relieve the pressure.

Unfortunately, not everyone is an Errol Gulden, and just walk up and play like a vet from day one.

[111431]

I have many of the same concerns about Stephens as you do. But I think back at how many errors Hayward has made over his development journey, now in its 6th year, and just what a fine player he's become.

Stephens has a good skill set, but it looks as though he is going to take some time to get the whole package right. I think we just have to persist with him and let time and a long on the job training period take him to the high level of play he should be capable of. I have accepted that there is going to be some pain along the way.

It seems that his main function is to play the fat side rover, running up and down the opposite side of the ground the ball is on, at least until there is a switch in play. He's well suited for this, as his pace and high capacity running can cut down on successful opposition switches in play. He makes a lot of kicking errors, but he can kick it long to relieve the pressure.

Unfortunately, not everyone is an Errol Gulden, and just walk up and play like a vet from day one.

very true

[liz]

Unfortunately, not everyone is an Errol Gulden, and just walk up and play like a vet from day one.

Every player - even Errol, even Chad, even Mills, Parker and Bud - makes mistakes every single game. Some players seem to get judged harder on them than others.

Stephens is playing an important role for the team with all the territory he covers. I can't see him being pushed out this season by anyone currently running around in our VFL team.

[KTigers]

But nothing. Irrespective of “Vic journo’s” it’s fairly pathetic from our offending supporter group. As a supporter group, our complaints against other Goodsey booing supporters will now inevitably be viewed as hypocritical.

And as for Pies fans and players having short memories, we would have better moral high ground if our fans didn’t commit a similar offences. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Pity we can't identify whether they were part of the 22,000 rusted on supporters who saw the Bulldogs game (a week after the travesty of
"Bombergate") or the extra 22,000 theatre-goers who were there yesterday. Who knows, they were probably booing his $100 hairdo. He
was cool enough to laugh it off.