2024 List Management

[Thunder Shaker]

Swans mentioned as a club that may be open to trading away a first-round pick in a trade for future picks on draft night.

Roos, Saints among clubs eyeing pick swaps on draft night

[imuninformedtwo]

Seems unfair F/S and Northern Academy players are bound by the same draft rulings, considering one is a lucky freebie from an established AFL pathway & the other is a club investment where no AFL pathways exist (don't get me started on the NGAs!).

It's beyond stupid.

Isaac Heeney: we invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into your development. 10 percent off.

Nick Daicos: your daddy rooted mummy and once wore our guernsey. 10 percent off.

[Thunder Shaker]

Cal Twomey's 2024 phantom draft has been posted.

It has Sydney taking Jonty Faull at 22 and Oliver Hannaford at 26.

[dejavoodoo44]

Cal Twomey's 2024 phantom draft has been posted.

It has Sydney taking Jonty Faull at 22 and Oliver Hannaford at 26.

I'd be quite happy to lock that in. A tall forward who apparently has a bit of grunt and a small forward who also goes hard at the ball and can spend time in the middle. Although, Twomey does suggest that we might be looking to trade up.

He also provides an answer to the Aaron Francis mystery. Apparently he's just nominated for the pre-season draft. He doesn't go into the reasoning behind that.

[Thunder Shaker]

14 Jobe Shanahan (Richmond)
18 Jack Whitlock (GWS Giants)
21 Jesse Dattoli (Richmond)
22 Jonty Faull (Sydney)
23 Matt Whitlock (Richmond)
25 Sam Marshall (Brisbane, Academy)
26 Oliver Hannaford (Sydney)
28 Luke Trainor (Richmond)

This is the list of seven I posted at post 1100 plus Hannaford.

Trainor has been identified as a slider in this phantom draft, not being taken until Richmond's first pick in the second round.

[lwjoyner]

why condider a fwd with first pick, crying out for a key defender. or 2. Faul and hannerford (a small fwd, need like a hole in the head) My preferences have not changed since ealy on except for adding a third pick before Joel Cochran (assumes he is still there at our last pick was 59)
i go for Matt Whitlock with first pick (was 19) tall def/fed and looking at avg of 5 so called experts incl Twomey +using Draft central draft guide (sent to me on line) worth a look with many features Whitlocks avg phantom draft pick is 22.3
with our number 2 still go for James Barratt tall def/fwd, prefers fwd, but appears to be a real swing man (along with Matt whitlock filled the 2 key def postions in Draft central coates team of the year. His avg draft
postion is 31. Also used to good effect in mid field by his coach. A real swing man. Could even replace Dane later on Seems like a Sam Reid type+
with our thirs pick iI take Lachie Jacques (joint capt pf Geelong Falcons) a 184cm hb. Also a member of Draft central team of year at hbf. Avg phantom pick if 40.
and finally Joel Cochrane (average phantom dratf pick (2 only) is 48.5
As regards a need for fwd what wrong with giving Jack Buller a go seem to remember him being a fav with Coach last year .

[KSAS]

I'm not sure of the merit of us trading up in such a deep draft, where there's a good of chance sliders falling to our first 2 picks. If we do trade up, does that mean we'll only take 3 selections instead of 4? If so, it doesn't make sense in such a quality draft.

Seen a couple of YouTube phantom drafts which has us taking the Whitlock twins!

I think shoring up our defensive posts is our first priority, followed by a small fwd/mid and tall mid bull. Hoping our draft hall relects this.

Alot of these phantom drafts has us taking a KPF based on our GF performance, which is narrow thinking imo, particularly when our 3 tall forward structure will come under serious review with Logan, Armatey, Maclean, & Buller possibly fighting for 2 spots. That is why taking a small forward over a KPF makes more sense to me.

[SwanSand]

Knowing how the drafts of yesteryear have gone. I think our recruitment team rates that forwards (tells and smalls) , midfielders who can play forwards are the only ones worthy of first round selections. So I would be surprised if we take a KPD in our first round unless their opinions have changed. They like the grunt midfielders to come between the 20 - 45 range and the KPD to come between the 30 - 55 range or rookie drafts. I hope that the choice is someone who can help us move forwards from the shellacking we got in the middle. its not the KPD or the KPF that's going to change the fortunes in the grand final it is the big bodied tall grunt players in the middle of the ground. Yes we cannot rely on our midfield to do the grunt work and also do the roles of the forwards. And this dual mentality is what got us in the grand final. We need the midfield to do the specialist midfield role and the forwards to do the forward role.

[UUaswan]

We need key defenders and intercept defenders.

We will be lucky to get 15 games out of Ramps, im hope Snell comes in and has a crack.

We are short down back, the quickest fix is Ladhams resting fwd, giving Grundy a bigger chop out before we run him into the ground and derail our season.

Then Mclean going to permanent defence. If he is mobile enough to ruck he should be able to defend, as well as being the best mark in the team. Clearly the 3 if them fwd didn't work, Amartey is a 1 trick Pony, if the ball isn't on his chest he may as well be in the stands. Plus we have Green who can maybe break thru for a game up fwd

Worst 2 weeks of the year to be a Sydney supporter, Draft week and GF week

[rb4x]

Has Francis nicely played the Swans? I understood he agreed to being delisted on the basis that the Swans would redraft him to the rookie list. By nominating only for the preseason draft I understand he must be redrafted to the primary list with a minimum 23 month contract or he could be snapped up by another team. From my viewpoint hopefully the latter.

[liz]

Has Francis nicely played the Swans? I understood he agreed to being delisted on the basis that the Swans would redraft him to the rookie list. By nominating only for the preseason draft I understand he must be redrafted to the primary list with a minimum 23 month contract or he could be snapped up by another team. From my viewpoint hopefully the latter.

I don't think he has to be redrafted with a minimum 23 month contract, not unless he has stipulated such terms (which he is allowed to do in the PSD). But he didn't have a contract when he was delisted, so there is no ongoing obligation for the Swans if he isn't picked up.

Nominating for the PSD just means that no other club can select him in the National Draft. I don't think it means he can't be picked up in the Rookie Draft if he's passed over in the PSD. You can't just nominate for the Rookie Draft though. To be eligible for the Rookie Draft you have to have nominated for at least the PSD.

I very much doubt he's done something other than what has been agreed with the Swans. If he has, the club can just choose not to pick him up again.

[rb4x]

I got the 23 months from the AFL Rules though have not gone down the rabbit hole with rule 9 which makes my head spin. 7.8(b) does not apply.

7.8 Drafted Player Bound for 23 Months

(a) (Notwithstanding anything contained elsewhere in these Rules, any Player selected by a Club at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting shall be ineligible to be included on the List of any other Club for a period of 23 months from the date when he is selected save as is provided in Rule 9 or where such Player is deleted from a Club’s List other than pursuant to Rule 7.8(b).

[imuninformedtwo]

Has Francis nicely played the Swans? I understood he agreed to being delisted on the basis that the Swans would redraft him to the rookie list. By nominating only for the preseason draft I understand he must be redrafted to the primary list with a minimum 23 month contract or he could be snapped up by another team. From my viewpoint hopefully the latter.

Who cares? He’s a dud. Snell - who is rated extremely highly internally as a second or third tall - will quickly go past him and if injuries really strike, I’d rather try Edwards to see if he can make it.

[UUaswan]

I'm not sure of the merit of us trading up in such a deep draft, where there's a good of chance sliders falling to our first 2 picks. If we do trade up, does that mean we'll only take 3 selections instead of 4? If so, it doesn't make sense in such a quality draft.

Seen a couple of YouTube phantom drafts which has us taking the Whitlock twins!

I think shoring up our defensive posts is our first priority, followed by a small fwd/mid and tall mid bull. Hoping our draft hall relects this.

Alot of these phantom drafts has us taking a KPF based on our GF performance, which is narrow thinking imo, particularly when our 3 tall forward structure will come under serious review with Logan, Armatey, Maclean, & Buller possibly fighting for 2 spots. That is why taking a small forward over a KPF makes more sense to me.

Agree with this.

Unless we are talking about combining 44 and 59 to get up a few spots there is nothing to gain by jumping 5-7 spots by combining our top 2 picks in a deep draft. Even more crazy when the guy we want will probably "slip" to 44.

[KSAS]

This latest Fox Sport phantom draft has us taking Jack Whitlock & Cooper Hynes with our first round picks

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/phantom-draft-afl-2024-fox-footy-afl-phantom-mock-draft-2024-predictions-live-trades-bids-formguide-date-time/news-story/be023112f1bf1fcc17d4189df93fa5ab

Remains unpredictable who will select tonight such is the eveness of the draft & not knowing our strategy. Expecting the unexpected but hoping there are no regrets when we look back in a few years time.