Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

[Beaussie]

Originally posted by Captain
Of course we should try in the Wizard.

There is no evidence to suggest that those teams who do well in the pre season experience problems come end of season.
St Kilda won it last year, made the prelim final and absolutely trounced us in the semi. Didn't seem to do them any harm.

We should be trying to win it. It generates confidence, self belief and shows a hunger to win. The arguments about supporters are irrelevant.

We have one of the worst histories out of any sporting team in the world. We need to get rid of this second best is ok attitude.

For some reason Swans fans in this thread don't seem to appreciate these facts you've pointed out.

[Diego]

Originally posted by Captain
Of course we should try in the Wizard.

There is no evidence to suggest that those teams who do well in the pre season experience problems come end of season.
St Kilda won it last year, made the prelim final and absolutely trounced us in the semi. Didn't seem to do them any harm.

We should be trying to win it. It generates confidence, self belief and shows a hunger to win. The arguments about supporters are irrelevant.

We have one of the worst histories out of any sporting team in the world. We need to get rid of this second best is ok attitude.

STANDS UP AND CLAPS!!!!!

I am for one am sick and tired of us not winning anything, sure it was "a glorified" practice match but it seems none of you supporters have ever tasted any victory, hence have this oh well attitude. Even winning a simple irrelevant cup brings a lot of joy. I am for one am over it as well. I am sick and tired of biting my tongue due to our pathetic history. I mean being ribbed by other supporters and not being able to say anything back b/c the predictable reply of "70 years and counting since last flag" is just downright embarrassing. I for one am over it.

How many here enjoyed the victory of the mid week cup in 1982? Win anything..I don't care, but I want to feel proud of my club...and really I have nothing to be proud of atm.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by Beaussie
I was merely saying our clubs history no matter whether it be pre-season or September is embarrassing. What I'm trying to say goes further than the pre-seaon. I for one am sick of just making finals. Aren't you fed up with false promises of one day.

If you don't like my opinion, well fair enough. But please don't try and put the heavy on with words like "piss off" and "Sydney can do without supporters like you". Grow up wanker.

We lose a 'trial' game and consequently you talk about wanting to support another team and now you call me a wanker? LOL.

[Diego]

Originally posted by cruiser
We lose a 'trial' game and consequently you talk about wanting to support another team and now you call me a wanker? LOL.

You don't get the point he is making, thats the problem with the majority of you on RWO. You think anything negative about the swans is an instant attack on the club.

Let me ask you, when you done the red and the white, do you feel proud that our last flag was 1933?

Or does this not matter?

[Beaussie]

Originally posted by cruiser
We lose a 'trial' game and consequently you talk about wanting to support another team and now you call me a wanker? LOL.

Umm, where did I say I wanted to support another team?

[liz]

Roos pretty much had his hands tied today. Of the senior players missing, how many would have been available had he wanted to play them?

Kennelly yes. The three "oldies" Ball, Maxfield and Williams probably. Hall at a pinch - ie he's probably not quite ready but would have been played in his condition if it were a H&A game.

The rest are still recovering from injuries and/or are still easing their way back via modified pre-season training programmes.

So even if Roos had wanted to take this game seriously, it is doubtful he could have put a team on the paddock with a serious chance of winning. He might just as well take the approach he did and get a better feel for who is capable of what.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by liz
So even if Roos had wanted to take this game seriously

Too many people on here take too many things too seriously. It is football: a game. Personally I don't think it will affect my life tremendously if the Swans never win another trophy. Sure I would like to see it but ****, I would still have to feed the dog, put out the bin, tuck in the kids and go to work on the Monday.

[swansrock4eva]

Ok, I will say it again, PLAY THE BALL NOT THE MAN. If you disagree with someone's opinions, say so without the personal abuse.

[Charlie]

Settle down, guys. Our second stringers lost by two goals (adjusted to the normal scoring system) against a fairly strong Bulldogs lineup. Not perfect, sure... but hardly worth being at each other's throats over.

If we pull the knives on each other in February, what hope have we got for the rest of the year? Ranting about past years results is aimless, and at this time of year so is talk of 'second best is enough'.

Deep breath.

[Thunder Shaker]

Let me tell you why we have not won a premiership since 1933.

We were not good enough to make finals very often. Since 1933, we have made the finals in 1934 (lost Grand Final), 1935 (lost Grand Final), 1936 (lost Grand Final), 1942, 1945 (lost Grand Final), 1970, 1977, 1986, 1987, 1996 (lost Grand Final), 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003 and 2004.

Sixteen times in 72 seasons. You don't win premierships without making the finals.

Notice the 24-year gap between 1945 and 1970.

Of those sixteen times we made the finals:
* five times we made the Grand Final.
* seven times have occurred in the last nine years.

Do you think it's easy making the finals regularly? Would you rather be following Richmond (about two finals appearances in 20 years)?

After following the Swans during many Septembers without the Swans in the finals, four wooden spoons, and a horrid season where we had a single win (1993), I happen to LIKE our regular finals appearances.

[peterh_oz]

Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

Originally posted by Beaussie
You seriously think we'll win come September? FFS just look at our history. I'm certainly not confident going into this season. How about you?

I'll take anything at this stage and if that means a pre-seaon flag, so be it. As I said, our fans have already died waiting for a premiership in September.

Back to the pre-season, we don't deserve to have any supporters at the ground or watching on TV as our coach/team clearly doesn't give a ****. Why then should we as fans give a ****. Supporting this club ****ing drives me crazy.

See ya!

Problem solved.

NEXT ...

[peterh_oz]

Originally posted by Diego
You don't get the point he is making, thats the problem with the majority of you on RWO. You think anything negative about the swans is an instant attack on the club.

Let me ask you, when you done the red and the white, do you feel proud that our last flag was 1933?

Or does this not matter?

No Diego that is not true. I am sick of "lets just make the 8". Most of us are. And that attitude was changed by the club about 2-3yrs ago.

Sure, it WAS the attitude, as they felt that being "up there" each year was better for long-term survival that taking a step back, rebuilding then going for the big one. They didn't think they'd survive the rebuild. Probably correct at the time.

Now they CAN survive a rebuild. They ARE going for the top. Brisbane won 3 of the last 4 flags. How many pre-seasons did they win?

It is rare for a March champion to be competitive past April. StKilda last year were an anomoly.

People complain that the season is too long, and expect a mid-season slump at some stage. No-one can peak for 7 months. Yet you want them to win everything from mid Feb to Sept?

I'm GLAD they don't care about the Wizard Cup. It goes to show that "anything" isn't good enough. They want a flag. Only. Not a March Cup. Not 8th. Not 2nd. Isn't that what you want?

Diego, Beaussie, and the others seem to be contradicting theselves: "I don't want mediocraty yet any win will do. Any silverware. Don't come 2nd, yet be happy winning 2nd-best".

Good on ya Roos - you have my FULL support. I don't agree with everything you do - I'm human just like you. But winning in March? WHO CARES. If March was important then why do we not say "hey we won back in 1982".? Because it doesn't count!.

I rest my case.

[cruiser]

Hey Beaussie and Diego, this is from todays SMH online:

"Roos used 10 new players, of whom only two, David Spriggs and Darren Jolly, had played senior AFL football."

So Sydney was almost playing its reserves side against a full strength Dogs side and we lost by 20 points. I reckon we should be pretty happy about that. I also see that Brisbane got belted last night and they also played a very understrength side. I cant imagine their supporters carrying on like you two. At least leave it til the real stuff starts at the end of March.

[sfan]

I think we should try a little harder. It gives momentum if you can win a few and often gets the season off to a good start. We seem to start slow and it is catchup after that. Plus the $$$$ aint too shabby.

[liz]

Originally posted by sfan
I think we should try a little harder. It gives momentum if you can win a few and often gets the season off to a good start. We seem to start slow and it is catchup after that. Plus the $$$$ aint too shabby.

Last year we opened the season proper by pushing the reigning premiers all the way at the Gabba and then with three solid wins. All that after a first round drubbing in the first round of the Wiz Cup.

So what exactly is the correlation between performance in the Wiz Cup and early success in the season proper?