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  • cressakel
    On the Rookie List
    • May 2004
    • 455

    #91
    Originally posted by liz
    Riewoldt is young and in his prime. It is unlikely that he will be worn out by season end by dint of being up and running now.

    It's a slightly different situation with players over 30, especially ones who all had niggles during the prior year. The stance on Williams, Maxfield and Ball is probably justified.

    Of the rest who missed -

    Crouch and Schauble aren't fit to play at the moment and wouldn't have played even if it had been for premiership points

    Mathews and Barry are recovering from bone injuries in their feet and haven't been back running very long.

    Goodes, too, is still easing back into training.

    It is possible that the recovery programmes for these three would have been accelerated had Roos wanted to be competitive in the Wiz Cup but personally I'm glad the club is taking it easy with these three, especially Barry and Goodes who are in our top 5 most important players, unquestionably.

    Davis sounds like he has a fair way to go before getting anywhere close to match fitness.

    O'Loughlin has to be managed week to week even during the season proper.

    I'm guessing Kennelly suffered some minor injury during the Bombers game or in training last week, given that he was originally listed in the squad.

    That probably just leaves Hall as the player they were being really cautious with. And arguably just having him in the team might have made the difference. If nothing else it may have given the team the belief they could win, and with that (even without Hall - if that makes sense) I reckon they might have gone close.
    I think you will find that B.Hall is recovering from major ankle surgery and is on a limited pre-season preperation as well if I am not mistaken from previous reports......
    Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

    Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16772

      #92
      Originally posted by cressakel
      I think you will find that B.Hall is recovering from major ankle surgery and is on a limited pre-season preperation as well if I am not mistaken from previous reports......
      He is, but is also scheduled to play this weekend, which indicates that he would probably have been available last weekend if really wanted.

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      • SwallowdaFonz
        Pushing for Selection
        • Sep 2003
        • 79

        #93
        Silverware

        Originally posted by liz

        It is possible that the recovery programmes for these three would have been accelerated had Roos wanted to be competitive in the Wiz Cup but personally I'm glad the club is taking it easy with these three, especially Barry and Goodes who are in our top 5 most important players, unquestionably.

        Davis sounds like he has a fair way to go before getting anywhere close to match fitness.

        What's with Davis? Does he have an injury or rehab excuse for being fat and unfit, or did he just binge over summer?

        My 2 bob's worth on the Wizard Cup? What we the supporters might want is not that crucial to what Roos is charged with doing. In his place, I'd be thinking ahead to the H&A season also. Unless the club has told him that a good showing in the pre-season is important (maybe it was in some past years), he is smart to use the Wiz Cup game as a serious trial match. We got a good draw in playing the Dogs, because their club has to get members and momentum going so they sent out a strong side.

        Think about the Sydney Kings basketball side or the Queensland Sheffield Shield cricket side. They had dire histories also but brought about the right changes and have really flourished since breaking through for a premiership. Hope that will happen for the Sawns as it has for the Bears / Lions.

        As for silverware, we should have got a cup for the minor premiership in 1996 (as well as 1986/7?), a la the English Premier League. As an achievement, that ranks well ahead of a pre-season knockout cup.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16772

          #94
          Re: Silverware

          Originally posted by SwallowdaFonz
          What's with Davis? Does he have an injury or rehab excuse for being fat and unfit, or did he just binge over summer?

          My understanding is that he has only recently come off crutches, something related to the foot injury he carried for the second half of last year. This is gleaned from comments made by others on this board though, not any official utterances from the Swans, and others may be able to elaborate and/or correct me.

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          • swansrule100
            The quarterback
            • May 2004
            • 4538

            #95
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

            Originally posted by boroboy
            It's not the fans attitude - it's the clubs. Port Adelaide's official club motto is "We exist to win Premierships" - go to the club in Alberton and it's plastered everywhere. Their fans really believe it's their god given right to win flags - either in the SANFL or the AFL. And look what happened after only a few years....

            I'm not saying our desire to win flags as a club is any less than Port's - of course it's not. But there's a fundamental mindset of win at all costs that I think is missing - and until that's addressed we'll always be the bridesmaid.
            and port adelaide fans think the team is fantastic and are one eyed and dont winge and complain about everything their club does.

            if we win at all costs half the fans would get angry we were arrogant. I think the club has changed but i guess the only way they can show it to us is by winning a flag!.....i think they will
            Theres not much left to say

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            • Ruda Wakening
              Survived The Meltdown
              • Aug 2003
              • 1519

              #96
              Re: Re: Silverware

              Originally posted by liz
              My understanding is that he has only recently come off crutches, something related to the foot injury he carried for the second half of last year. This is gleaned from comments made by others on this board though, not any official utterances from the Swans, and others may be able to elaborate and/or correct me.
              As you already know the injury he suffered to his foot was far more complex and serious than first thought. It lasted well into the off season.

              He's certainly not resembling Gibert Grape's mum - he just started a bit behind some of the others due to the injury taking so long to heal and not being able to put full weight on the foot - but things are going OK now.
              Sit down or i swear to God i'll have you shot.

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              • JF_Bay22_SCG
                expat Sydneysider
                • Jan 2003
                • 3978

                #97
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                Originally posted by swansrule100
                and port adelaide fans think the team is fantastic and are one eyed and dont winge and complain about everything their club does.

                if we win at all costs half the fans would get angry we were arrogant.
                Oh come on Andrew, surely you can do better than that.

                Port supporters expect success. And are extremely cocky and boastful about it when it comes around (especially when they opponent is the Fruit Tingles). I guess Essendon supporters are the same. They only know success and snort at the thought of not being thereabouts at finals time, even when their teams are decidedly ordinary.

                The Swans could never be considered arrogant. Because two many of us have been there when the club was on the bottom and things were grim.
                When we make the Grand Final next, expect the whole of the country to be suppoirting us. If we are playing Colingwood, expect every human in the world to be supporting us.

                But this doesn't stop the fact that to most people we are the "poor widdle Swannies" who never offend upset or threaten anyone. In some ways I hate being so liked by everyone. As it means that people don't fear us at all.

                JF
                "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
                (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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                • lescygnes
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 256

                  #98
                  to some this one up, my 83yo grandfather has very very hazy memories of the swans winning the flag.

                  says it all.
                  Cygnes de Sydney et Melbourne Du sud, champions d'australiens 2005 de ligue du football

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                  • Sanecow
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 6917

                    #99
                    Yep. In the long run it doesn't matter who wins.

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                    • swansrule100
                      The quarterback
                      • May 2004
                      • 4538

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                      Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
                      Oh come on Andrew, surely you can do better than that.

                      Port supporters expect success. And are extremely cocky and boastful about it when it comes around (especially when they opponent is the Fruit Tingles). I guess Essendon supporters are the same. They only know success and snort at the thought of not being thereabouts at finals time, even when their teams are decidedly ordinary.

                      The Swans could never be considered arrogant. Because two many of us have been there when the club was on the bottom and things were grim.
                      When we make the Grand Final next, expect the whole of the country to be suppoirting us. If we are playing Colingwood, expect every human in the world to be supporting us.

                      But this doesn't stop the fact that to most people we are the "poor widdle Swannies" who never offend upset or threaten anyone. In some ways I hate being so liked by everyone. As it means that people don't fear us at all.

                      JF
                      im just impressed u knew my name :P cheers

                      i see and appreciate what your saying yes, but what does a bunch of fans discussing it on a website do to make the team stronger and more flag focused.

                      Only way to fix this all is to win a flag, and that is in the players hands, not ours (unless your hiding some talent jf)

                      lets just hope we win and teams start fearing us!
                      Theres not much left to say

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                      • ScottH
                        It's Goodes to cheer!!
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 23665

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                        Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
                        When we make the Grand Final next, expect the whole of the country to be suppoirting us. If we are playing Colingwood, expect every human in the world to be supporting us.
                        JF
                        I think you are living in a dreamworld there, buddy.
                        There are a lot of (Vic/Melb) people that despise i/state clubs. There are a lot who despise Sydney and BL over the salary cap issues.
                        There are a lot of people who would galdly support Collingwood over an i/state team.

                        I lived in that same world, until BL v Pies GF's. That was when I started to learn the truth. People hate I/state teams.

                        I have alway supported the I/state teams, as I hate most Vic teams.

                        I want this to be a truly national comp. But Vics still don't see it that way.

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                        • footyhead
                          Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
                          • May 2003
                          • 1367

                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                          Originally posted by swansrule100

                          ...., but what does a bunch of fans discussing it on a website do to make the team stronger and more flag focused.

                          ................
                          ..... and that is in the players hands, not ours (unless your hiding some talent jf)

                          lets just hope we win and teams start fearing us!

                          Collective consciouness my friend.

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                          • swansrule100
                            The quarterback
                            • May 2004
                            • 4538

                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                            Originally posted by footyhead
                            Collective consciouness my friend.

                            sounds a lot similar to the "believe we can win the grand final and we will"
                            Theres not much left to say

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4199

                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                              Originally posted by ScottH
                              There are a lot of (Vic/Melb) people that despise i/state clubs. There are a lot who despise Sydney and BL over the salary cap issues.
                              Originally posted by swansrule100
                              Let's just hope we win and teams start fearing us!
                              The Romans had a saying, ODERINT DUM METUANT. It means "Let them hate, so long as they fear."
                              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                              • ScottH
                                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 23665

                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Clubs History Is Embarrassing

                                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                                The Romans had a saying, ODERINT DUM METUANT. It means "Let them hate, so long as they fear."
                                LOL!!!!

                                Send that to the club as our new slogan!!!!!

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