Lrt

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by barry
Only 1 carlton goal could be attributed to him, and that was where he dropped a mark, recovered, then J.Bolton didnt pick up his handball. So only indirectly his fault. Otherwise, did some great link play.

What about the one where he and Waite competed in the marking contest. Another Carlton player marked and then Waite ran off away from LRT and received the pass and goal.

And then on another occasion Waite outmarked him and goaled.

[Wil]

The fact that he gets into position to make the mark and drops them, is much better than not even being able to get into position in the first place. There is much less for him to work on. If he focuses on contested marking over the pre-season (and even the rest of this season) he will come good.

Good thing is he doesn't really cost us many goals and his crazy, typical skill errors seem to be diminishing. He skill errors are now AFL level skill errors instead of Auskick level skill errors, if you know what I mean.

I just wish the other half backs could help him out more when he gets the ball. Also as his marking improves hopefully he will become a genuine target for the kick-ins. I would love to see them go in the centre more often to The Hyphen, Goodes or Jolly/Ball.

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
What about the one where he and Waite competed in the marking contest.

It was a great kick and a fantastic mark. The commentators said at the time he is the best mark for his size in the comp, and there was nothing LRT could have done.
Surely you dont expect LRT to hold his oponent to 0 kicks, 0 handballs, 0 marks?

Another Carlton player marked and then Waite ran off away from LRT and received the pass and goal.

Oh yeah, when LRT was standing the mark. Bit hard to do both. How did Whitnal get loose to take the mark over LRT in the first place?

And then on another occasion Waite outmarked him and goaled.

When ?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by barry
It was a great kick and a fantastic mark. The commentators said at the time he is the best mark for his size in the comp, and there was nothing LRT could have done.
Surely you dont expect LRT to hold his oponent to 0 kicks, 0 handballs, 0 marks?

Oh yeah, when LRT was standing the mark. Bit hard to do both. How did Whitnal get loose to take the mark over LRT in the first place?

When ?

The last one is the great mark by Waite - it wasn't such a great kick, just a great mark.

LRT wasn't standing on the mark - the other Swans player was. LRT was looking all about trying to find Waite.

I didn't say anything about keeping his opponent to no possessions - just countering your claim that LRT was not directly responsible for any Carlton goals.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
He was a bit unlucky with some of the frees against, but I thought he'd been a bit lucky with not being paid some in previous weeks.

One free kick to Whitnall, when he ran under a huge kick from the Carlton ruckman was crap, as was the mark awarded to LAnce after he fended LRT in the face. Lance also go another freebie for a "caress" (it certainly was no push) from Jason Ball.

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
The last one is the great mark by Waite - it wasn't such a great kick, just a great mark.

Give me a break. It was a great kick, quick, to advantage, 35m. Fodder for forwards. Nothing LRT could have done, so that goal wasnt caused by LRT.

LRT wasn't standing on the mark - the other Swans player was. LRT was looking all about trying to find Waite.

LRT and Waite were wrestling for the ball, LRT was getting the better position, and Whitnal came over the top to take the mark. LRT initially stood the mark (as expected), then Whitnals opponent trotted up and pulled rank and told LRT to go man up. In the mean time Waite had run off. Whitnals opponent should have
a) contested the initial mark and b) manned up waite since he was loose.

I didn't say anything about keeping his opponent to no possessions - just countering your claim that LRT was not directly responsible for any Carlton goals.

Which you have failed to do. An LRT stuff up caused only one Carlton goal. The others were exceptional play by Carlton which LRT couldnt have stopped anyway.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by barry
Give me a break. It was a great kick, quick, to advantage, 35m. Fodder for forwards. Nothing LRT could have done, so that goal wasnt caused by LRT.

The one I recall was a contested mark about 30m out.

LRT and Waite were wrestling for the ball, LRT was getting the better position, and Whitnal came over the top to take the mark. LRT initially stood the mark (as expected), then Whitnals opponent trotted up and pulled rank and told LRT to go man up. In the mean time Waite had run off. Whitnals opponent should have
a) contested the initial mark and b) manned up waite since he was loose.

As I recall Schauble was already up covering the mark as Whitnall was moving back.

Which you have failed to do. An LRT stuff up caused only one Carlton goal. The others were exceptional play by Carlton which LRT couldnt have stopped anyway.

Yep - sure... LRT was a standout as usual...

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]The one I recall was a contested mark about 30m out.
[B]
As I recall Schauble was already up covering the mark as Whitnall was moving back.

Yep - sure... LRT was a standout as usual...

You recall wrong.

1st half he was good. 2nd half not so good. Never said he was a standout.

You do realise he'll be our CHF in the post-Hall era dont you?

[satchmopugdog]

Sat was the first time I have seen him live and I was instantly reminded of an earlier post from someone who commented on the power of extra work he does to get to contests to help others. I agree there are weaknesses and I would dearly love to have Maguire because of his assurance but overall there are a lot of positives.................(plus he has a Tasmanian connection and was pleasant to me at the aftermatch function). Duh I've gone and spoiled it again. I nearly made a sensible post.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by barry
You recall wrong.

1st half he was good. 2nd half not so good. Never said he was a standout.

Right, so none of the 3 goals kicked by Waite in the first half count against LRT just like none of the 3 goals kicked by Lucas a few weeks ago.

I understand... no criticism or observation allowed...

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Right, so none of the 3 goals kicked by Waite in the first half count against LRT just like none of the 3 goals kicked by Lucas a few weeks ago.

I understand... no criticism or observation allowed...

Waite played all over the ground in the 1st half, a fair amount of time not on LRT.
Whats the relevance ?

[NMWBloods]

None whatsoever...

[Schneiderman]

Firstly, I still think Vogels would make a better CHB and should be given a run at it when we are not interested in winning games (next years pre-season or later this year if it all goes to @@@@).

BUT:
1. LRT played ok. He has been steadily improving this year IMO, and looks more comfortable in his role every week. At the current rate of progression (and hopefully a good run in the finals) he should be a solid to good CHB by Round 1 next year.
2. He needs to learn to punch. It looks to me like he does a lot of slapping at the ball, and his spoils rarely make solid contact.
3. He needs to wear gloves. Even if it only gives him a psychological advantage. Cornes and Leppitsch have done it in the past.
4. His decision-making needs to improve - hopefully experience is all thats required, but he certainly seemed a bit more proactive on Saturday. There were no rabbit-in-headlight pauses with the footy that we gotten so used to.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Firstly, I still think Vogels would make a better CHB .

only if Vogels could get to contests as many as LRT which I doubt very much.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Newbie
only if Vogels could get to contests as many as LRT which I doubt very much.

True, but I think that he appears to:
1. Read the play better
2. Have better skills, and a lot more confidence in his disposals
3. Is a better decision-maker
4. Is a far better mark

Those points more than make up for LRT's athleticism, and I would have no problem in using both of them in defence at the same time anyway.