Barrygate

[dendol]

Originally posted by Newbie
Lack of evidence would mean the case to be thrown out. The Melbourne media is trying its best to get Hall suspended. Should not fall for this trap.

Still, I dont think the absence of Hall would be a significant loss for us. Glass or Rutten are both not Hall's easiest matchups. We might play better against the Eagles or the Crows with a multiple options than a focal point.

I dont believe that. Hall takes the best defender and even if he doesnt get much of the ball (like in the QF and SF), he is still able to take his man away from the play. He is our best and only real power forward - we'd be ********ed if he didnt play the GF, especially considering he's play most (if not all??) of the games this year.

[Mike_B]

IMO the most similar one was Koschitzke's one where St Kilda appealed and he got off. Contact was no harder than that one.

[DST]

Barry Hall come into 2005 with no carry over points, so unless I missed a report during the year he has no priors and will be able to receive the 25% discount if he pleads guilty. Combine that with the 25% discount for an early plea he should drop below the 100 activation points and be free to play.

DST

[kangle4]

i hope ur right DST as it has soured the win a bit

i am really starrting to get worried with the way the commentators (besides sam newman) and journalists are talking about it and its almost as if they want him to be suspended

[Schneiderman]

I have watched about five replays of the game so far (wonder why??) and I am convinced of the following:

1. Bazza pulled the punch.
2. There is no actual footage of the contact. There may well have been no contact at all.
3. The area the punch was going to contact was NOT the gut. In fact it was more around the nipple area (maybe he has a nipple ring?).
4. Maguire's arm swung through as the contact was made, meaning he may well have hit him in the arm, or had his hand brushed away by it anyway.
5. There is still conjecture over whether it reaally was "in play" or not, considering he took a mark no more than 10sec after the incident. The action was actually part of a lead by Barry.

Whilst it may go before the tribunal, there are plenty of ways in which the review panel can reduce the activation points so that an early guilty plea gets him less than 100 points and so only a reprimand.

FWIW it was a clear dive. And at the very next centre bounce (I think) there is clear footage of Dal Santo punching Ablett in the stomach as they wait for the bounce.

[Bas]

Originally posted by DST
Barry Hall come into 2005 with no carry over points, so unless I missed a report during the year he has no priors and will be able to receive the 25% discount if he pleads guilty. Combine that with the 25% discount for an early plea he should drop below the 100 activation points and be free to play.

DST

Bondy on 3AW has just said that if the AFL deem Bazza's last offence in 02 as being over 3 years ago then he will be reprimanded. If they don't he will be offered 4 weeks and 3 weeks with a guilty plea.

That's how the AFL might decide according to Bondy

[timbo]

tune into 3aw, bondie the tribunal specialist says he'll get off.

round 19, kosi 'strikes' corey. It was a brush, no evidence that he made any contact.

exactly same case.

he's clear.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by timbo
tune into 3aw, bondie the tribunal specialist says he'll get off.

round 19, kosi 'strikes' corey. It was a brush, no evidence that he made any contact.

exactly same case.

he's clear.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's going to be a long 48 hours of waiting to see if he's cited, let alone suspended.

[Snowy]

yes I just heard Bondy and he mentioned several precedents, since the Gehrig love tap. Joel Corey reacted in exactly the same way as Maguire after the hit which was graded as incidental contact. Bondy also suggests that it depends on the definition of a year as Hall was suspended in 2002 but if the time elapsed is regarded as three years his record doesn't come into play. In fact he gets regarded as having a good record. The conspiracy theory of course is that the AFL won't want to be seen to rub out someone for what in rugby circles is seen as a 'soft' hit.

[Thunder Shaker]

Originally posted by Bas
Bondy on 3AW has just said that if the AFL deem Bazza's last offence in 02 as being over 3 years ago then he will be reprimanded. If they don't he will be offered 4 weeks and 3 weeks with a guilty plea.

That's how the AFL might decide according to Bondy

The offence in 2002 was not in a preliminary final, therefore it is certainly over 3 years ago.

[hammo]

I am getting more confident, especially considering the 3 year clean slate scenario.

Yes it was off the ball but Baz was on a lead and there is real doubt as to whether Maguire was actually hurt in the incident.

As Carey just said on Fox Footy, if it goes to the tribunal then Maguire will say he took a dive.

There were half a dozen similar incidents in the game, its just the Melbourne media seem hell bent on getting Barry cited to sell more papers during the week.

An unwanted distraction but in the sober light of morning I am more hopeful than ever.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
McGuire had a bad attack of gastro for a few minutes there. I've had it - it can be debilitating. Let's hope and pray Hall won't get it from touching him.

You're my wife now dave.

McGuire could get a gig on Rock and Roll Wrestling after that Ronaldinho-like effort.

It would be a travesty for Baz to miss the GF for that.

[punter257]

gee i hope your all right - i think the kosi incident may help him and especially so if its true that the MRP admitted the gehrig love tap was a mistake

[ugg]

Is a player eligible for the Brownlow if he is suspended for an incident occuring in a finals match?

[timbo]

Is a player eligible for the Brownlow

i would think so as brownlow betting hasn't stopped



also another question is it three calender years or three seasons (02, 03, 04)

i would think itd have to be three years or 36 months.