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  • UUaswan
    Regular in the Side
    • Sep 2024
    • 657

    Look fwd to Harry McKay's name coming up all week and how we need to give, Campbell, Ollie and a future 1st to get him

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    • Dow
      Regular in the Side
      • Sep 2022
      • 868

      Originally posted by UUaswan
      Look fwd to Harry McKay's name coming up all week and how we need to give, Campbell, Ollie and a future 1st to get him
      I would happily do that trade minus the future first round pick

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      • 111431
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2010
        • 702

        Originally posted by UUaswan
        Look fwd to Harry McKay's name coming up all week and how we need to give, Campbell, Ollie and a future 1st to get him
        A former Carlton player told me a couple of weeks ago we had already looked at McKay and discounted him as too soft

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4257

          We need to keep Ladhams. He was very good against Geelong.

          Plan A: Keep him.
          Plan B: If he wants to go elsewhere, get as much as possible for him. Possible trades: (1) A future first-round pick, (2) points-bearing picks of equivalent value to a first-round pick in this year's draft, (3) second-round pick and a good young KPD or KPF who isn't getting games and wants more opportunities.

          I know that I may be a bit over regarding his trade value. Good established rucks are hard to find and any club trading out a ruck can demand overs and may get them. Look at the TDK circus at Carlton and St Kilda for an example.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • UUaswan
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2024
            • 657

            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
            We need to keep Ladhams. He was very good against Geelong.

            Plan A: Keep him.
            Plan B: If he wants to go elsewhere, get as much as possible for him. Possible trades: (1) A future first-round pick, (2) points-bearing picks of equivalent value to a first-round pick in this year's draft, (3) second-round pick and a good young KPD or KPF who isn't getting games and wants more opportunities.

            I know that I may be a bit over regarding his trade value. Good established rucks are hard to find and any club trading out a ruck can demand overs and may get them. Look at the TDK circus at Carlton and St Kilda for an example.
            I rate Ladhams and have said all year he should be playing. He would be even better if he was given a decent run at it.

            The Coaches don't rate him enough to play him and when you look at who we have out as far as talls, id be staggered if he is on out list next year. Throw in the potential development of Green then Ladhams definately isn't in this clubs calculations.

            Based on not playing him, we will be lucky to get a pick upgrade.

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            • Roadrunner
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2018
              • 1492

              Originally posted by UUaswan

              I rate Ladhams and have said all year he should be playing. He would be even better if he was given a decent run at it.

              The Coaches don't rate him enough to play him and when you look at who we have out as far as talls, id be staggered if he is on out list next year. Throw in the potential development of Green then Ladhams definately isn't in this clubs calculations.

              Based on not playing him, we will be lucky to get a pick upgrade.
              No, we will keep him- listen to Coxy’s post match. Ladhams is a good 2nd ruck and can step up if needed. He played well today and what’s more, he kept trying which is more than a lot of his teammates who threw in the towel in the second half. Geelong were the better team and helped by silly umpiring but our lads dropped their intensity and game intelligence. Buller has been given a run of games and as a forward, he has to be more accurate with his kicking- apart from around the corner shots which he does well. In general, our kicking for goal needs to improve a lot and we desperately need more marking power up front and in our backline.

              How is it possible that the opposition backs outnumber us time and time again? Why do our forwards drift away? It just makes it so easy for the opposition to mop up without any pressure and makes it difficult for us to notch a winning score. Maybe it’s the coaching but our players need to take responsibility too!

              Let’s assess the squad after next week’s game and discuss what we need for 2026 and beyond. For me, only around half the current team is good enough- we are seriously lacking consistency and unfortunately I think this is due to a lack of talent on our list, if I’m being realistic.

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              • mcs
                Travelling Swannie!!
                • Jul 2007
                • 8199

                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                We need to keep Ladhams. He was very good against Geelong.

                Plan A: Keep him.
                Plan B: If he wants to go elsewhere, get as much as possible for him. Possible trades: (1) A future first-round pick, (2) points-bearing picks of equivalent value to a first-round pick in this year's draft, (3) second-round pick and a good young KPD or KPF who isn't getting games and wants more opportunities.

                I know that I may be a bit over regarding his trade value. Good established rucks are hard to find and any club trading out a ruck can demand overs and may get them. Look at the TDK circus at Carlton and St Kilda for an example.
                There have been a lot of murmurs around that there is a good chance the sub rule will disappear, and that they'll move to a straight 5 on the bench. If that happens, there is a big chance teams will move to playing 2 genuine ruckman again. In that case, Ladhams is critical to keep. He has seemingly found a way to control the 'unhinged' part of his game that really held him back, and I thought he was pretty decent in a well beaten side yesterday.

                Green will become a fine ruckman in time, but is nowhere near ready yet to take on that 2nd ruck role, if there was a change in the sub rule. And if Ladhams was to go, we will still need to replace him anyway, even if that rule doesn't change.
                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                • UUaswan
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2024
                  • 657

                  Originally posted by Roadrunner

                  How is it possible that the opposition backs outnumber us time and time again? Why do our forwards drift away? It just makes it so easy for the opposition to mop up without any pressure and makes it difficult for us to notch a winning score. Maybe it’s the coaching but our players need to take responsibility too!
                  They haven't played Ladhams all year which means we dont have permanent fwds to take marks and thats why decent opposition backs kill us unless Heeney plays out of his mind.

                  Paps and Wilbur are crumbers or take marks on the lead, they aren't contested options, especially when they are undersize

                  Not sure Ladhams is trusting Cox's presser talk, he only got a game as Grundy was injured.

                  He would be mad to stick around if he got an offer elsewhere

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                  • Roadrunner
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1492

                    Originally posted by UUaswan

                    They haven't played Ladhams all year which means we dont have permanent fwds to take marks and thats why decent opposition backs kill us unless Heeney plays out of his mind.

                    Paps and Wilbur are crumbers or take marks on the lead, they aren't contested options, especially when they are undersize

                    Not sure Ladhams is trusting Cox's presser talk, he only got a game as Grundy was injured.

                    He would be mad to stick around if he got an offer elsewhere
                    He wouldn’t be No.1. In any top 8 team- so he may as well stay as our No 2 until Green is ready, which is at least a year away. We all know that McLean needs to play forward and we can’t rely on Logan or Joel due their injury history. Yesterday Buller and McLean were our talls up forward so no excuse for our smaller forwards in Paps, Hayward, Dettoli and Campbell. Paps did a few nice things but generally well below par. Dettoli is just a prospect right now and needs a lot more time in the ressies. Campbell needs to toughen up- he can’t land a tackle and drifts out of the game. Wilbur is injured and was invisible. Buller is far from ready for AFL and his goal kicking is bad and needs to improve if he wants to play senior footy. So we can’t let Ladhams go- we need at least 2 more quality talls if we are to challenge.

                    While I’m at it, I’m also disappointed with Chad’s game- he doesn’t do enough damage when he gets the ball- similar for Errol lately but he has been out for a long time. So at the moment it’s a case of no Isaac, no Swans and this my friends is a recipe for our position on the ladder.




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                    • UUaswan
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2024
                      • 657

                      Originally posted by Roadrunner

                      He wouldn’t be No.1. In any top 8 team- so he may as well stay as our No 2 until Green is ready, which is at least a year away. We all know that McLean needs to play forward and we can’t rely on Logan or Joel due their injury history. Yesterday Buller and McLean were our talls up forward so no excuse for our smaller forwards in Paps, Hayward, Dettoli and Campbell. Paps did a few nice things but generally well below par. Dettoli is just a prospect right now and needs a lot more time in the ressies. Campbell needs to toughen up- he can’t land a tackle and drifts out of the game. Wilbur is injured and was invisible. Buller is far from ready for AFL and his goal kicking is bad and needs to improve if he wants to play senior footy. So we can’t let Ladhams go- we need at least 2 more quality talls if we are to challenge.

                      While I’m at it, I’m also disappointed with Chad’s game- he doesn’t do enough damage when he gets the ball- similar for Errol lately but he has been out for a long time. So at the moment it’s a case of no Isaac, no Swans and this my friends is a recipe for our position on the ladder.



                      Can't see why he would stay if he can't get a regular game with all our injured talls

                      The point is you need at least 2 permanent tall Fwds to bring your smalls into play.
                      Due to injury atm we have 1 and thats Buller who can't be expected to do much given his experience.

                      Mclean rucking affects his time fwd, rinse and repeat.


                      On a side note, we probably have the best small fwds/mids in the game for goalkicking, at least last year we did when they played with talls.

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                      • UUaswan
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2024
                        • 657

                        Originally posted by Roadrunner

                        While I’m at it, I’m also disappointed with Chad’s game- he doesn’t do enough damage when he gets the ball- similar for Errol lately but he has been out for a long time. So at the moment it’s a case of no Isaac, no Swans and this my friends is a recipe for our position on the ladder.



                        Last year Chad broke lines and bombed long where tall fwds contested the ball and our smalls crumbed, put pressure on and kicked goals.

                        Paps, Wilbur, Heeney, look at their tallies.
                        Let's not pretend Chad was lacing people out, he just went long and Team selection makes that look stupid this year

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                        • longmile
                          Crumber
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3377

                          Apologies if I missed it but has Rampe re-signed? Guess there’s a real chance this could be his last game? I reckon he has another year in him

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16814

                            Originally posted by mcs

                            There have been a lot of murmurs around that there is a good chance the sub rule will disappear, and that they'll move to a straight 5 on the bench. If that happens, there is a big chance teams will move to playing 2 genuine ruckman again. In that case, Ladhams is critical to keep. He has seemingly found a way to control the 'unhinged' part of his game that really held him back, and I thought he was pretty decent in a well beaten side yesterday.

                            Green will become a fine ruckman in time, but is nowhere near ready yet to take on that 2nd ruck role, if there was a change in the sub rule. And if Ladhams was to go, we will still need to replace him anyway, even if that rule doesn't change.
                            Cox has pretty much said that he'd play two rucks if the sub rule disappeared. I think it will disappear, with every coach who I've heard express an opinion on the topic wanting it gone. It's possible Green might be ready for a game or two next season but probably not more than that. So I definitely hope we keep Ladhams.

                            He was a bit of a revelation yesterday. One of the few players who actually had a crack, and he showed some deft skill at times. He also showed he can be as dangerous as a forward as the rest of our talls. His goal kicking is a bit iffy - and I suspect will remain a bit iffy until he retires - but that's true of all our tall forwards (and some of our shorter ones).

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                            • liz
                              Veteran
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16814

                              Originally posted by longmile
                              Apologies if I missed it but has Rampe re-signed? Guess there’s a real chance this could be his last game? I reckon he has another year in him
                              I kinda tuned out at the SCG yesterday after half-time, once it became evident the Cats were far too well drilled for us and we didn't have any tricks in the bag to change things up. Most of the players tuned out too, so I don't feel bad.

                              But despite that, I was aware throughout that Cameron hadn't kicked a goal (yet). And then the end of the game came and Cameron still hadn't kicked a goal. But I wasn't paying enough attention to truly appreciate why he hadn't kicked a goal, and I deleted the recording of the game from my IQ as soon as I got home. I have some needles to stick in my eyeballs if I want to torture myself.

                              But can anyone provide reasons why Cameron didn't kick a goal? The reason I'm asking this in response to a post about Rampe is that a couple of times I saw Rampe was on Cameron, and wondered if he was on him for large stretches of the match and, if so, did he do a good blanketing job? Or were there other reasons why Cameron didn't kick a goal.

                              I have reservations about Rampe next season but his value on the list will depend on who else / how many more we decide to jettison. If he's still capable of quelling a player of Cameron's potency, I'm more likely to be persuaded that he's worth hanging on to for another year.

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                              • imuninformedtwo
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Aug 2024
                                • 519

                                So one thing we did well with list managament is get Errol for $1m a year. Nasiah just signed for $2m a year with the Saints. Like. he's a beautiful player and so far ahead of the rest of his team mates it's ridiculous. But that makes Errol a bargain buy.

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