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Darren Jolly + Jude Bolton + our first round pick for Luke Ball + Justin Koschitzke + their first round pick. Never happen but it would make the off season more interesting.
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I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time -
not good news at all. although if he does decide to move trade time would be a very interesting time.
i would expect to get Cameron Wood & a quality player eg Leigh Montagnia if was St Kilda.
Carlton i cannot see who we could get.
Richmond he would demarned their best player almost in Foley, althougth that wont happen.
So we need to look at it in seriousness. we need to replace a ruck for a ruck and get something else because of his quality.
the only ruckman we could get who is as good or better at present is
-Charman
-Lade
-Cox
with all these either unavaliable, Charman looking to go to Melb, Lade signed and too old, Cox cemented in the WC nest.
so we are offering the 3rd or 4th best big man in the league at an age of 25 with 7 good years of football ahead of him.
so we gamble on Wood & a proven "good player" or a top 10 pick and Wood.
remember this draft is consider weak.
also heard rumours that the swans are very interested in Andy Otten of the oakleigh chargers. although he has put in a month of B.O.G's in the Tac cup so his value has hit early second round late first.Comment
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If he's out of contract then Jolly & a club like Richmond hold the whip hand.
It's all very well talking about demanding top 10 picks and good players, but if Jolly is seduced by a move to Richmond, Carlton, Melbourne or Bulldogs - those four have the first 4 picks in the pre season draft.
We could end up getting nothing."As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk
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We would simply have to get another ruckman in the trade.
Someone like Cameron wood might be ok. He'd have a year being 2nd ruck behind Everitt before being thrown to the wolves.
I'd say Jolly would command a top 10 pick, so you'd think a wood + 10-20th pick would be acceptable.
Getting wood is going to involve a 3 team trade though, and that makes it very complicated to pull off.
With the trouble at St Kilda, a bit of poaching off them may be on the cards, but I have my doubts about Kositski's long term health.Comment
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Rucking is overrated. If we had a better midfield it wouldn't be such a loss. We should concentrate on building the midfield.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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All just rumours at this stage.
But I'd be pretty disappointed if he left. Not only because he's a reasonabley good ruck man (Only 3 or 4 better than him at the moment), but also because we brought him to Sydney when he couldn't even get a game for the Dees. He's been mentored by two of the best ruckmen to ever play the game (Ball & Everitt), Been given a significant rise in his salary, and this is how he wants to return the favour???
But at the end of the day, if he wants to go, not much choice for us really. Just need to make sure we get some value for him.Comment
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Thats the grant thomas/rodney eade line of thinking.
IMO, a good ruck division is they key to premiership glory. Its not just the centre bounce work, its the telling mark in the last line of defense, the bob up in the forward line. A good ruckman dictates where the opposition's lesser ruckman plays.Comment
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To be a good mark or to wander into the forward line doesn't require a "ruckman" - it requires a "follower". My point was that the rucking aspect is overrated.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Direct swap with Carlton for Fev?
Doggies for a midfielder extractor a la Sammy Mitchell? Don't know if they have anyone off contract worth looking at.
Agree we really need to try for Ruck exchange.Comment
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Sure they're great players. But Port didn't make finals in 2006. Cox is an exceptional player - not just his ruckwork but also his around the ground work. However, the ruckwork aspect is critically dependent on the midfield too.
I think that the midfield is far more important than ruckwork. All you want is for your ruckman to be competitive at the taps to stop the opposing ruckman easily tapping to advantage (which is a very difficult thing to do anyway). Impact around the ground is far more important.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Cast your mind back to the Geelong Semi and the St Kilda Prelim in 2005.
Our ruck division dominated and played a big part in winning the games.
Cox's domination of Jolly in the 2006 GF was why we lost it.Comment
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