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  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    Originally posted by dendol
    I feel like puking. A favour to Ross Lyon??? wtf?!?!?! Is this not a multi-million dollar industry that we are involved in?? He talks about taking the emotion out of trading away players he cares about, yet at the same time shafts the Swans because he's doing his ex-lieutenant a favour?! I really dont get it.

    Yes Dempster wanted to go, but surely we needed to get at least another draft pick (4th round) to compensate. We may pass on the pick, but at least we had the choice to pick someone up if they slipped through into the later rounds.

    Perhaps our list will be full after taking the 3 picks in the ND and the extra pick is not worth asking for, but trading two 23yo premiership players for pick 26 is hard to stomach.

    I hope Rossy Lyon has a long memory cos I'd expect a "favour" in return in trade week 2008 and 2009.

    Roosey was being diplomatic. Dempster isn't rated by any club. The favour was to Dempster. Otherwise the humiliation of a delisting. It seems only some on RWO think Dempster would have any trade value. No club does. Ross Lyon did him a big favour by giving him a chance. Good luck to him
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    • TheGrimReaper
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      • Sep 2007
      • 2203

      This is bull@@@@!!!

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16764

        Originally posted by dendol
        Yes Dempster wanted to go, but surely we needed to get at least another draft pick (4th round) to compensate. We may pass on the pick, but at least we had the choice to pick someone up if they slipped through into the later rounds.

        Perhaps our list will be full after taking the 3 picks in the ND and the extra pick is not worth asking for, but trading two 23yo premiership players for pick 26 is hard to stomach.
        Once you trade for a pick you're not allowed to pass on it. So there is no point taking low speculative picks if you're not prepared to clear the space on your list to use them.

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        • dendol
          fat-arsed midfielder
          • Oct 2003
          • 1483

          Originally posted by liz
          Once you trade for a pick you're not allowed to pass on it. So there is no point taking low speculative picks if you're not prepared to clear the space on your list to use them.
          oops my bad. do we have room to take more than 3 picks in the draft?

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          • hammo
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2003
            • 5554

            Pathetic. Roos has well and truly lost his mind. If we were trading for a second round pick then we should have at least been looking for a top 20.

            Why wasn't an exchange of the first round picks on the table as part of the deal?
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            • TheGrimReaper
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              • Sep 2007
              • 2203

              I told people to ring up the club to show their disapproval of the trade. And yet some people were critical of me for doing so.

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              • goswannie14
                Leadership Group
                • Sep 2005
                • 11166

                Originally posted by liz
                Once you trade for a pick you're not allowed to pass on it. So there is no point taking low speculative picks if you're not prepared to clear the space on your list to use them.
                No, you're wrong there Liz (I never thought I would say that ).


                A club may exchange a draft selection it has received from another club, provided that the selection is not traded directly back to that club.
                Any draft selection received in an exchange does not need to be exercised. However, any club that passes on a draft selection shall be excluded from exercising any remaining selections at that same meeting.

                AFL Trade Week ? rules and regulations
                Last edited by goswannie14; 12 October 2007, 08:08 AM.
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                • ScottH
                  It's Goodes to cheer!!
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 23665

                  Originally posted by Footylover1
                  I told people to ring up the club to show their disapproval of the trade. And yet some people were critical of me for doing so.
                  Would it have made any difference, if a million fans rang in?

                  I think not. We are members/fans of a Club. We are not Share holders where we can influence Club decisions.

                  Whilst I am sad to see both players leave, Esp. Dempster, I believe the club had their best interest in mind as well as the Club.

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                  • Old Royboy
                    Support Staff
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 879

                    Swings and roundabouts. Schneider did some terrific things for us, none will forget the prelim final in '05. But his lack of fitness makes him expendable in todays game: by being unable to join the midfield he therefore places extra load on the midfield rotation. We can afford one like that (ND) but not two. Dempster always had limitations. I'm sure Roos tried for more but it is reflective on poor negotiation skill on our clubs part that we were unable to obtain an exchange of 1st rounders as part of the deal.

                    But overall, this trading period has not worked out too badly. Mattner was a good deal, and Playfair came for nothing (with Bird locked in to the final selection, and only 2 other kids to be drafted, pick 44 was essentially redundant). We lost one player who was on the chopping block and a talented but lazy small forwrd.

                    Getting Playfair as KPP depth confirms that Vogels is gone, maybe Reg is in trouble too. No Schneider opens up opportunity for Phillips and Moore
                    Last edited by Old Royboy; 12 October 2007, 07:32 AM.
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                    • TheGrimReaper
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2203

                      Originally posted by ScottH
                      Would it have made any difference, if a million fans rang in?

                      I think not. We are members/fans of a Club. We are not Share holders where we can influence Club decisions.

                      Whilst I am sad to see both players leave, Esp. Dempster, I believe the club had their best interest in mind as well as the Club.
                      It was the people/members that got Roosy the job mate! You shouldn't underrestimate people power.

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        Originally posted by Footylover1
                        I told people to ring up the club to show their disapproval of the trade. And yet some people were critical of me for doing so.
                        But people had to agree with you for them to even want to do that. I don't agree with you about Schneider.
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                        • TheGrimReaper
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2203

                          Originally posted by goswannie14
                          But people had to agree with you for them to even want to do that. I don't agree with you about Schneider.
                          A lot of people do agree with me, not just on redandwhiteonline it seems.

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                          • ScottH
                            It's Goodes to cheer!!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 23665

                            Originally posted by Footylover1
                            It was the people/members that got Roosy the job mate! You shouldn't underrestimate people power.
                            Do you really believe that?

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                            • connolly
                              Registered User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 2461

                              Originally posted by Footylover1
                              It was the people/members that got Roosy the job mate! You shouldn't underrestimate people power.
                              I might give them a bell to congratulate them on a pretty good job
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                              • Damien
                                Living in 2005
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 3713

                                Originally posted by Footylover1
                                It was the people/members that got Roosy the job mate! You shouldn't underrestimate people power.
                                I have never believed that to be true, but whatever. Not one shred of evidence has ever been found that supports the claim that Wallace was signed, sealed and delivered as our coach.

                                However on the topic:

                                I don't care what player we trade, we pay Roos and his staff to make these decisions, however I do have an issue for what it seems we are getting in return. That is my only beef with the situation at the moment.

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