Roos under investigation (-> Cleared)

[ROK Lobster]

I certainly would go back at them for slight on his character

It was only sleight though

Why, he was brought before a tribunal to explain a comment. Where is the sleight?

[CureTheSane]

It appears that the comment Roos made was a throw away comment.
Fair enough.
But it was a very very stupid thing to say.
And he deserved to be investigated.
I guarantee that if any of the 15 other coaches had done the same thing, everyone here would all be up in arms.

His answer to the issue of betting on the NAB Cup (don't allow betting on the NEB Cup) was silly and without thought.

Like it or not, he is expected to follow the rules of whatever competition he is participating in.

I would have preferred a comment from him such as "it was a silly comment to make in reference to my thoughts that the pre season comp is not appropriate, and I apologise for the comment and guarentee that the Swans as a team do our best to win every game we play"
Probably would have ended the whole thing a week ago.

To me he is appearing more and more arrogant and Malthouse like.

[ROK Lobster]

To me he is appearing more and more arrogant and Malthouse like.

Paul arrogant. No way!

[Chow-Chicker]

It appears that the comment Roos made was a throw away comment.
Fair enough.
But it was a very very stupid thing to say.
And he deserved to be investigated.
I guarantee that if any of the 15 other coaches had done the same thing, everyone here would all be up in arms.

I wouldn't care less!

His answer to the issue of betting on the NAB Cup (don't allow betting on the NEB Cup) was silly and without thought.

It's a very good point, and the main reason why the AFL were concerned.

Like it or not, he is expected to follow the rules of whatever competition he is participating in.

Is there a rule that says you HAVE to win?

I would have preferred a comment from him such as "it was a silly comment to make in reference to my thoughts that the pre season comp is not appropriate, and I apologise for the comment and guarentee that the Swans as a team do our best to win every game we play"
Probably would have ended the whole thing a week ago.

So he must please you as well as Demetriou?

To me he is appearing more and more arrogant and Malthouse like.

Who cares?

[TheGrimReaper]

Roos is far from an arrogant man!

[royboy42]

Paul arrogant. No way!

MMM yeah RL..I would have expected bipartisan support for the coach under ridiculous attack from the AFL...but i guess you prefer your smart alec put downs to take precedence over his integrity. Sad!

[Jewels]

MMM yeah RL..I would have expected bipartisan support for the coach under ridiculous attack from the AFL...but i guess you prefer your smart alec put downs to take precedence over his integrity. Sad!

Amen to that!

[ScottH]

I'm sure Roos will care what people here have to say...

I've sent him a copy of this thread. He will meditate on it this weekend.

[CureTheSane]

Is there a rule that says you HAVE to win?

I have no idea actually.
The presumption is that you play to win.
In the spirit of the game.
I would dare say that it's noted in teh rules, but I am way too lazy to look it up

So he must please you as well as Demetriou?

Not at all, but don't you think that would have been the sensible way to treat this matter, rather than brushing off what I as a Swans supporter see as a serious issue, and I'm sure other Swans supporters do, as well as the vast majority of other team supporters and general public?

I like Roos, I do think he comes off as arrogant at times, but I think overall he does a great job.
Of course I reserve my right to be critical of him at times, as I do with every Swans player.

Who cares?

So you are agreeing that he is appearing more and more arrogant, and you do not care about that?
That's ok.
I however enjoy supporting a team that overall is generally liked.

[Chow-Chicker]

I have no idea actually.
The presumption is that you play to win.
In the spirit of the game.
I would dare say that it's noted in teh rules, but I am way too lazy to look it up




Not at all, but don't you think that would have been the sensible way to treat this matter, rather than brushing off what I as a Swans supporter see as a serious issue, and I'm sure other Swans supporters do, as well as the vast majority of other team supporters and general public?

I like Roos, I do think he comes off as arrogant at times, but I think overall he does a great job.
Of course I reserve my right to be critical of him at times, as I do with every Swans player.



So you are agreeing that he is appearing more and more arrogant, and you do not care about that?
That's ok.
I however enjoy supporting a team that overall is generally liked.

The rules of the NAB Cup is what makes it unattractive to some coaches, some players, and a lot of supporters. I suspect coaches, players and a lot of supporters would rather the team prepare themselves properly in games where the actual rules of the proper season is applied. By dropping out of the competition early, they can concentrate on applying themselves fully in real match simulation practice games - and I dare say, they seriously play to win in those games. West Coast have never taken this competition seriously, and neither have Brisbane. I'm sure there are other teams also. Whether Roos meant what he said or not, I really don't care. If he said it in the season proper, I would be horrified and would want him sacked immediately - even if it was for chasing priority picks and the like.

Yes, the AFL had to investigate......as it should. But making the threats of fines and indefinite suspensions along the way was totally uneccessary. When they investigated the allegations against umpires Matthew Head, they did not go into the investigation stating that he is facing a life ban.

As for other supporters thinking this issue is serious, take a look at the other forums. I think you'll find the majority of them are either in support of Roos, or just couldn't care. Most see the hypocrisy of the AFL that refuses to see a problem with the priority pick, and that teams would not deliberately tank games to get it. They would not investigate the possibility that Carlton did not seriously try to win more than 5 games last year - even though it was obvious to alomost 100% of supporters, that they wouldn't. And if you checked the Carlton forum, you would see hundreds of posts hoping that their club wouldn't win more than 5 games.

That to me is the real problem and the real issue in the AFL.......not some circus NAB Cup.

[Wardy]

In todays Telegraph - it mentions that Andy D has had to remove himself from the investigation process because of the "strained relationship" between he and Roos and it would be seen as a conflict - well der!. Honestly it is a farce.The damage is done. To waste so much time and rescourses on this is laughable.
Add to Andy D's Hitleresque attitude - did anyone see that if players pull out, (injured or faux injured) of the Dream Team V v Vic game in May - those players will be banned from playing the next round ? - its almost like "you vill play zee game or else!" the man has far too much power.

[Lucky Knickers]

But making the threats of fines and indefinite suspensions along the way was totally uneccessary.

To be fair, Demetrious has downed played that continously, it is the press that keep stating the maximum penalties.

[chalbilto]

In todays Telegraph - it mentions that Andy D has had to remove himself from the investigation process because of the "strained relationship" between he and Roos and it would be seen as a conflict - well der!. Honestly it is a farce.The damage is done. To waste so much time and rescourses on this is laughable.
Add to Andy D's Hitleresque attitude - did anyone see that if players pull out, (injured or faux injured) of the Dream Team V v Vic game in May - those players will be banned from playing the next round ? - its almost like "you vill play zee game or else!" the man has far too much power.

A "strained relationship" between the boss of the AFL and a senior coach does not bode well, especially with the proposed expansion of the game in Western Sydney.

[goswannie14]

A "strained relationship" between the boss of the AFL and a senior coach does not bode well, especially with the proposed expansion of the game in Western Sydney.

I think that comment is a red herring, it has got nothing to do with what is being investigated.

[CureTheSane]

The rules of the NAB Cup is what makes it unattractive to some coaches, some players, and a lot of supporters.

Yep

I suspect coaches, players and a lot of supporters would rather the team prepare themselves properly in games where the actual rules of the proper season is applied.

Yep

By dropping out of the competition early, they can concentrate on applying themselves fully in real match simulation practice games - and I dare say, they seriously play to win in those games.

Nope

Whether Roos meant what he said or not, I really don't care. If he said it in the season proper, I would be horrified and would want him sacked immediately - even if it was for chasing priority picks and the like.

Because YOU don't consider the NAB Cup a valid comp, it's OK to throw games and the like, but if it happens in a comp that you approve of, then it's not ok....

Either way, a team is in the competition, they should be there to win.
Imagine the psychological damage of playing to lose, even once.
I don't want that.
Roos can feel how he like about the NAB cup but when I see the Swans play, I want to see them trying to win.

Yes, the AFL had to investigate......as it should. But making the threats of fines and indefinite suspensions along the way was totally uneccessary. When they investigated the allegations against umpires Matthew Head, they did not go into the investigation stating that he is facing a life ban.

Who made threats of fines against Roos?
The media.
But that becomes irrelevant when the AFL is up for attack.

As for other supporters thinking this issue is serious, take a look at the other forums. I think you'll find the majority of them are either in support of Roos, or just couldn't care.

As I stated before, people like the Swans.
If it was Malthouse, or

They would not investigate the possibility that Carlton did not seriously try to win more than 5 games last year - even though it was obvious to alomost 100% of supporters, that they wouldn't.

There was no PROOF Not comments by Carlton staff, no player ex-girlfriends dishing the dirt, no nothing.
How does the AFL investigate a team based on a gut feeling?
Seriously, the whole Carlton tanking BS is a bit stupid.
How did they drop games?
How many players were in on it?
Administration?
Coaching staff?
Who the hell tells a whole team of players that they are looking top lose games?
There is no possible way it wouldn't get out.
Player gets drunk... etc etc