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  • Triple B
    Formerly 'BBB'
    • Feb 2003
    • 6999

    Originally posted by swansrule100
    if your gonna pick apart posts at least have yours correct

    be happy i am bored enough to bother with you
    I really don't know what you're saying.

    If you're saying 'You need a decent punishment, so that the footy world knows there are consequences', why the ??? after consequences?
    Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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    • bloodboy
      Mmmmm...Donuts
      • Jul 2003
      • 352

      $50,000 with $25,000 suspended is getting away with it lightly in my opinion. It should not be happening in the AFL. Hell, it shouldn't be happening in the under 10's down the road. We are lucky....in saying this though, don't think we deserved to lose the points, but it could have happened.

      Maybe it is time the AFL did something so this CANNOT happen again. They have enough 'officials' at the game, surely this wouldn't increase the workload too much...
      Go you mighty BLOODBOYS!

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      • swansrule100
        The quarterback
        • May 2004
        • 4538

        Originally posted by BBB
        I really don't know what you're saying.

        If you're saying 'You need a decent punishment, so that the footy world knows there are consequences', why the ??? after consequences?



        how can the coaches know that they cannot send a 19th man on because there are massive consqeunces, if the swans are not given a heavy penalty now?

        wallace is right i would of thought. The club deserves a strong punishment because as you say then the clubs know not to do it.
        Theres not much left to say

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        • swansrule100
          The quarterback
          • May 2004
          • 4538

          i thought it was a fitting punishment, how the hell do you just run on the ground when someone is yet to come off.

          Did we not notice three guys on the bench, where did they think the other guy went?
          Theres not much left to say

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          • Triple B
            Formerly 'BBB'
            • Feb 2003
            • 6999

            Originally posted by swansrule100
            how can the coaches know that they cannot send a 19th man on because there are massive consqeunces, if the swans are not given a heavy penalty now?

            wallace is right i would of thought. The club deserves a strong punishment because as you say then the clubs know not to do it.
            You are kidding right???

            The massive consequences are if the opposing captain calls a headcount, they lose all their score.

            That's more massive then a 50/25K fine.

            If you think any club would do it intentionally to gain an advantage and risk the consequences above, you are delusional.
            Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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            • thejones,s
              On the Rookie List
              • Feb 2008
              • 308

              Originally posted by Damien
              I'm told (not that I have bothered researching) that it's impossible to lose points unless it is reported during the game by the captain, so I don't think that was ever an option.

              I think a token fine of say $10K would have been sufficient. It was a simple mistake, no club is stupid enough to do this deliberately.

              The message sent by this huge fine IMO is that we gained 2 points illegally, and I think that is beyond unfair. I guess it takes the heat of their goal umpiring department.
              Seems a very valid point to me...

              create a distraction...

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                OK, we should be fined, but 50K is way over the top.
                And look what 20K (correct weight?) got Hird and Essendon!
                Last edited by dimelb; 29 April 2008, 09:50 PM. Reason: sp
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • swansrule100
                  The quarterback
                  • May 2004
                  • 4538

                  Originally posted by BBB
                  You are kidding right???

                  The massive consequences are if the opposing captain calls a headcount, they lose all their score.

                  That's more massive then a 50/25K fine.

                  If you think any club would do it intentionally to gain an advantage and risk the consequences above, you are delusional.

                  if you could get away with it you would, but you dont try because it was massive consequences such as a huge fine or at worst a loss of points.

                  thats why when it does happen there needs to be a big punishment and i think the 50k is good.

                  Wether we did it intentionally or not is irrelevant
                  Theres not much left to say

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    Originally posted by BBB
                    You are kidding right???

                    The massive consequences are if the opposing captain calls a headcount, they lose all their score.

                    That's more massive then a 50/25K fine.

                    If you think any club would do it intentionally to gain an advantage and risk the consequences above, you are delusional.
                    Novel way of tanking but ...
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      Originally posted by dimelb
                      Novel way of tanking but ...
                      Watch for WC to do it next!

                      If the interchange system was more sensible, with stewards actually monitoring who goes on and comes off, then this wouldn't be an issue.

                      I suppose it seems a bit strange for us to think how White went on without Jolly coming off, but in a close game, first game, and a lot of stuff happening, it would be easy for a player not to be thinking about things clearly.

                      The fine of that size seems rather pointless and ludicrous, but does anyone really care?
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        Originally posted by BBB
                        WTF are they there for if they don't stop a player going on until a player comes off.
                        7.1 INTERCHANGE STEWARD ? APPOINTMENT AND DUTIES
                        A Controlling Body may appoint two Interchange Stewards to officiate
                        during a Match. The Interchange Steward shall:
                        (a) be positioned throughout the Match at or near the Interchange Area;
                        (b) monitor and approve the interchange of players made by each Team
                        during a Match; and
                        (c) report to the Controlling Body any infringement by a Team of this
                        Law 7.

                        7.2 PROCEDURE FOR INTERCHANGE
                        The following procedure shall apply to the interchange of Players during a
                        Match:
                        (a) the captain of a Team, Team Runner or Official shall advise the
                        Interchange Steward of the Team?s intention to replace a Player who
                        is currently on the Playing Surface for another Player listed on its
                        Team Sheet;
                        (b) upon being satisfied that the replacement is permitted, the
                        Interchange Steward shall approve the replacement;
                        (c) a Team may interchange the Players concerned within a period of 3
                        minutes from the time approval is given by the Interchange Steward,
                        after which the approval shall lapse;
                        (d) unless Law 7.3 (Stretcher) applies, the Players concerned shall leave and enter
                        the Playing Surface through the Interchange Area;
                        (e) a Player who does not leave the Playing Surface as specified
                        under Law 7.2 (d) is unable to re-enter the Playing Surface for the
                        remainder of the Match;
                        (f) where a Player does not enter the Playing Surface as specified under
                        Law 7.2 (d), the Interchange Steward and/or a field Umpire shall report the
                        circumstances to the Controlling Body, including the scores at the
                        time. The Controlling Body may determine the matter by way of fine,
                        reversal of Match result or other sanction as it deems appropriate.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          According to Ch10 sports news tonight, its $25K now - $25K "suspended" fine, i.e. if we do it again, we automatically cough up $25K. If we haven't done it again over 24mths, we don't have to pay it.

                          A "first gamer" was the person blamed for walking on the field.

                          Who was the first gamer??

                          Guess they'll be asking for gold coin donations at the turnstiles this weekend.
                          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                          • BloodNut
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 97

                            Should come out of the first gamers wage. Should teach him a thing or two.

                            What a great way to take attention away from another @@@@house weekend of umpiring. So does that mean we are still protected if a melbourne club gets only 7,500 and we cop a 50 thooooouuusand dolla fine? Gee some protection!

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                            • liz
                              Veteran
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16757

                              Originally posted by swansrule100
                              Wether we did it intentionally or not is irrelevant
                              On the contrary, whether it was intentional or not is highly relevant. If it was deliberate, the team deserves the book thrown at it, the match points deducted, and possibly other fines too. It would be cheating.

                              Does anyone seriously think any AFL coach would seek to use such a tawdry tactic to win a game?

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                              • DeadlyAkkuret
                                Veterans List
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 4547

                                Anyone read the thread on BF about the 50K fine? All the UFO conspiracy theorists are out in force. @@@@ing fantastic!

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