Paul Roos

[ScottH]

Don't forget most of the up coming players that should have got game time already have been injured.

Not a lot to select from. (Although White missing was a disappointment, I hope he gets over his flu, and plays the Blues next week.)

[Nico]

Don't forget most of the up coming players that should have got game time already have been injured.

Not a lot to select from. (Although White missing was a disappointment, I hope he gets over his flu, and plays the Blues next week.)

I think there is a fair chance he was over the flu yesterday Scott. He was picked as an emergency which is rather puzzling if he was never going to play.
I don't for one minute think Roos should go but there is an increasing thought in my mind that some of his deputies should be on very thin ice.

With all due respect to Daniel McPherson, he was a very average footballer with rather questionable skills, and he is the development coach of a group of players with skills that need a lot of work!!

My hobby horse; centre clearances come to mind. Whoever is responsible in that area should be joining Barry Hall next week on his 2 month European trip. A serious flaw that appears never to have been addressed. We were slaughtered out of the centre again yesterday. We got one back a number of times and they just returned the compliment immediately with swift clean clearances for goals without one of our blokes laying a fingernail on them, or getting near the footy; unadulterated crap football.

[GoBloods]

Don't forget most of the up coming players that should have got game time already have been injured.

Not a lot to select from. (Although White missing was a disappointment, I hope he gets over his flu, and plays the Blues next week.)

seemed alright yesterday , kicked 11 goals in the reserves

[ernie koala]

Who are you confident would have coached the Swans to a win yesterday?

No one with the lousy sellections made. I Know you like examples Liz so I'll give 2..... Ablett ahead of Monty/ Thornton/Braba/ pretty much any player from the 2's not injured, when we already had at least 3 taggers in- Crouch, Kirk, Jack ,.... and Pyke ahead of White??
Add to this our most influentual player being shown the door for a minor, retalitory love tap.
The only reasonable explanation, I can think of, is maybe Roosy is outsmarting us all...........HE'S STARTED TANKING..

[liz]

No one with the lousy sellections made. I Know you like examples Liz so I'll give 2..... Ablett ahead of Monty/ Thornton/Braba/ pretty much any player from the 2's not injured, when we already had 3 taggers in- Crouch, Kirk, Jack ,.... and Pyke ahead of White??
The only reasonable explanation, I can think of, is maybe Roosy is outsmarting us all...........HE'S STARTED TANKING..

What Pyke gave us yesterday in the ruck was very little different to what White has given us in the ruck most of the season. White as a forward is a different question, but then we're comparing apples with oranges.

I wasn't overly happy with the selection of Ablett (though Monty has a broken finger and I'd pick him ahead of Brabazon). But I find it hard to believe anyone really thinks Ablett vs Brabazon or Thornton was the reason we lost yesterday.

[ernie koala]

What Pyke gave us yesterday in the ruck was very little different to what White has given us in the ruck most of the season. White as a forward is a different question, but then we're comparing apples with oranges.

I wasn't overly happy with the selection of Ablett (though Monty has a broken finger and I'd pick him ahead of Brabazon). But I find it hard to believe anyone really thinks Ablett vs Brabazon or Thornton was the reason we lost yesterday.

My point about sellecting Ablett was as much to do with the number of Taggers we took into the game. The last thing we needed yesterday was another slow tagger with lousy disposal. As for Pyke, what we did need yesterday was a presence up forward. Instead Roos and co opted for a tap ruckmen who is still very much a beginner in every other department.
He comes across as a smart guy...So, is he tanking?

[Bleed Red Blood]

I don't get it. No one on here seems to be happy about what's happening with the team.

But the responsibility doesn't belong to the senior coach??

What has happened in the past isn't relevant to now. If it was, Pagan would still be at the Don's, Mathews would still be at the Lions et al.

[goswannies]

Roosey - please find another designated kicker to bring the ball in. Too often Shawry kicks to himself and then kicks to a contest an extra 15m out only to have the ball rebound. Maybe not so bad if Eski, Mattner and Shaw are running well out of defence in a wave or if there is an effective marking tall to take Shawry's pass who has the foot skills for the next kick along. Need a better defensive set-up when bringing the ball in IMO.

[liz]

My point about sellecting Ablett was as much to do with the number of Taggers we took into the game. The last thing we needed yesterday was another slow tagger with lousy disposal. As for Pyke, what we did need yesterday was a presence up forward. Instead Roos and co opted for a tap ruckmen who is still very much a beginner in every other department.
He comes across as a smart guy...So, is he tanking?

I don't think Ablett was taken into the game as a tagger. He played in the forward line last week in the reserves and in yesterday's warm-up, didn't join in with the midfield group, but practised goal kicking with the forwards and defenders. He did move into the midfield at times later in the game but it was a case of shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic by then.

Quite possibly this signals the thinking that his time as a midfielder is up - with a list of mids for 2010 of Jude, Kirk, McVeigh, Goodes part-time and now O'Keefe of the older, stronger bodies, plus Bird, Jack, Meredith, Smith, Hannebury of the younger crop, maybe Vez for stints, and Monty/Moore also likely to give most value there if they can get fit enough it is very hard to see how you can fit Ablett in their, even if he can get back to his relatively better form of 2006-7.

Can another role be found for him? He's a strong overhead mark and a booming, if inaccurate kick. Can he function effectively as a mid-sized forward, maybe bringing some forward line pressure if nothing else? On the evidence of yesterday, it's doubtful. But finding out if players like Ablett still have anything to offer is as important a part of list management for 2010 as getting games into kids, especially when the most promising aren't available or physically fit enough at the moment to play in the seniors.

[liz]

I don't get it. No one on here seems to be happy about what's happening with the team.

But the responsibility doesn't belong to the senior coach??

What has happened in the past isn't relevant to now. If it was, Pagan would still be at the Don's, Mathews would still be at the Lions et al.

I am not unhappy with what is "happening with the team". Yesterday's performance was very disappointing but it is kinda irrelevant in the short term since we're not a contender at the moment.

Despite the lacklustreness, Barlow continues to improve, Grundy continues to improve, Bird continues to improve, Jack continues to improve, Smith is finding his feet well enough and Vez is showing glimpses of what he might become. A 3rd game ruckman was part of the best play of the day, at least from the Swans.

I'd love for Meredith and Currie to be in the team, but can't really blame their absence on the senior coach. Maybe we can blame White's absence yesterday on him but none of us really knows how sick he was and it may well be that a few games in the reserves playing as a key forward will aid him when he gets to play that role in the seniors.

Those who want the club to play all the kids, or even argue for a season of serious tanking better get used to performances like yesterday's. Someone commented in another thread that that was as bad as it gets. People who think that way might want to find another winter occupation for the next couple of years, and then jump back on the bandwagon when our current 18-21yos get a bit stronger, a bit fitter and a bit more match savvy and are ready to show us what they are capable of.

[Lohengrin]

Is it reasonable to label a coach "crap" when he has coached his team to 6 consecutive finals series

Plenty of people here have called Sheedy and Malthouse and Matthews and Pagan some variations of "crap".

[connolly]

Clearly a top bloke. Crap coach. Go with your mates Paul. The ride is over.

If you are only as good as your last game then have to agree.
Consider:

The "retirement"of your best power forward is manufactured in the week of the critical make or break finals game and creates the worst distraction ever self inflicted on a footy club.. Points for management. 0
The players, particulalry the stalwarts play a demoralised game. Points for management. 0
The game plan is wrong for a speedy Dons midfield. Again Roos puts out his predictable rebounding half back line game plan. Insteading of putting pace in the midfield (particulalry Shaw) he plays a slow midfield that makes even Watson look speedy. Points for team structure. 0
He drops Brabazon againsta very quick midfield. Points for match ups 0
He picks Crouch to play on Davey and again keeps a young un who could have matched him for pace and learnt something (DOK) out of the team. Points for matchups and selection. 0
He fails to promote a big forward who kicked a bag in the ressies and plays a plodding out of form defensive midfielder in the forward line. Ditto 0
Fails to make a decisive change during the critical second quarter of moving an out of position LRT back to the backline, Bevo into the central defensive corridor (where he starred after he made the move after the horse had bolted), Richards out of the forward line and into the ruck and the big mountie onto the forward line to crash some packs and clear the way for Magic. Game time coaching. - 2
Yep crap. He signed one contract too many.

[Bloody Hell]

My hobby horse; centre clearances come to mind. Whoever is responsible in that area should be joining Barry Hall next week on his 2 month European trip. A serious flaw that appears never to have been addressed. We were slaughtered out of the centre again yesterday. We got one back a number of times and they just returned the compliment immediately with swift clean clearances for goals without one of our blokes laying a fingernail on them, or getting near the footy; unadulterated crap football.

I think it's fair to say that since Lyons stepped away from the midfield coach role the midfield has been on a downward slide. They are playing without the organisation and application they showed during the premiership period.

This has nothing to do with cattle.

[Bloody Hell]

Some would disagree that Roosy Lost one of his best players

I don't think anyone would disagree. He was playing last week - now he's retired. Are you suggesting he wasn't one of the best players?

[Midfield]

What a load of crap. During Pauls reign we have developed a winning culture. We now find ourselves in a position where we lose a few and come up with the solution that we should get rid of the guy who instilled the winning culture in order to get it back? Shame shame shame.