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[CureTheSane]

This may seem like a dumb question, but BBBH started the year playing for Sydney. The retired, briefly, and has announced his comeback. Why is he not coming back with Sydney?

This whole situation is confusing.

Simply, because the Swans do not want him in the team.

The way it has been since that last incident.

Personally, I would like Hall to be traded for a player, rather than a draft selection.

All this talk of the Swans not being a contended for years and years irritates me.
No reason why we can't be right in the mix next year if all goes to (the right) plan.

[Robbo]

Probably because he was pushed.

[ugg]

Roosy is hoping for a second rounder citing the Akermanis and Everitt deals as precedents.

[Legs Akimbo]

Simply, because the Swans do not want him in the team.

The way it has been since that last incident.

Personally, I would like Hall to be traded for a player, rather than a draft selection.

All this talk of the Swans not being a contended for years and years irritates me.
No reason why we can't be right in the mix next year if all goes to (the right) plan.

Sort of my point. BBBH punches Rutten, club suspends him. Hall ponders future, retires, says it is his decision, can't guarantee he won't do it again. Big love in follows, lap of SCG in car etc. Everyone loves everyone else. But at no stage has BBBH said he is has been dumped by the Swans per se.

Now the seasons is over, he says he wants to play again. Then Swans say they will help him move to another club. Let's call a spade a spade, Sydney dumped Hall not because he punched Rutten but because it was expedient to do so. I guess there was a lot more @@@@ happening behind the scenes between player and club and players and player than is evident. I guess up until today, I took it all at face value. Credit to all concerned though for putting it into the public domain.

Maybe I was not paying enough attention when it all happened.

[liz]

Roosy is hoping for a second rounder citing the Akermanis and Everitt deals as precedents.

Aker was a couple of years younger than Hall / Everitt and the Dogs have already had three good to very good years out of him and look set for one more.

The Everitt trade is a decent precedent though. Their ages are almost identical (at time of trade), they were of similar standard player at their peak and the respective expectations of the Swans and Dogs at the times of trade are pretty similar. Plus the fact that the Pilchard was hanging out for our first round pick in a draft that was considered pretty strong at the time (maybe less so in hindsight) supports the idea that we didn't grossly over pay for Everitt in terms of perceived value.

I still think we're likely to get better value, though, by claiming a promising 20-21 year old who needs to be sacrificed as a result of the reported salary cap pressures at the Dogs. Not that I have anyone specifically in mind. The three youngsters at the Dogs who most excite me - Higgins, Ward and Hill - we have absolutely zero chance of snagging. Well, zero chance for the first two and exceedingly low chance in the case of Hill.

[ugg]

The two years being offered to Hall would probably be one way they could fit him in their salary cap. With Aker Johnson and Eagleton unlikely to be playing in 2011 they could heavily backend Halls contract for 2011

[Nico]

Sort of my point. BBBH punches Rutten, club suspends him. Hall ponders future, retires, says it is his decision, can't guarantee he won't do it again. Big love in follows, lap of SCG in car etc. Everyone loves everyone else. But at no stage has BBBH said he is has been dumped by the Swans per se.

Now the seasons is over, he says he wants to play again. Then Swans say they will help him move to another club. Let's call a spade a spade, Sydney dumped Hall not because he punched Rutten but because it was expedient to do so. I guess there was a lot more @@@@ happening behind the scenes between player and club and players and player than is evident. I guess up until today, I took it all at face value. Credit to all concerned though for putting it into the public domain.

Maybe I was not paying enough attention when it all happened.

Very interesting post Legs. Hall was on SEN this arvo and what struck me was that he cited the Swans game plan as restricting him and that he had tired of Sydney. No accountability for his own actions at all. The condescending way he referred to the game plan reminded me of the sooky la la antics he displayed if the ball wasn't kicked to him. He almost seemed to be blaming the game plan for his inability to reach his full potential. It sounded as if he just expects it all to happen with the likes of Higgins and Cooney hitting him on the chest with ridiculous regularity. So it was a suitable game plan when we won the flag but it is not now, just to suit his position and argument.

No mention of the Swans taking him in and making a player of him after his non descript career at St Kilda. No mention of his female issues that seemed to side track him regularly and again he couldn't promise that his onfield demenour would change. Then he contradicted himself by saying he wouldn't be going to the Dogs if he didn't think he could turn himself around.

Makes me certain that as you said, there was more going on behind the scenes.

[CureTheSane]

Sort of my point. BBBH punches Rutten, club suspends him. Hall ponders future, retires, says it is his decision, can't guarantee he won't do it again. Big love in follows, lap of SCG in car etc. Everyone loves everyone else. But at no stage has BBBH said he is has been dumped by the Swans per se.

Now the seasons is over, he says he wants to play again. Then Swans say they will help him move to another club. Let's call a spade a spade, Sydney dumped Hall not because he punched Rutten but because it was expedient to do so. I guess there was a lot more @@@@ happening behind the scenes between player and club and players and player than is evident. I guess up until today, I took it all at face value. Credit to all concerned though for putting it into the public domain.

Maybe I was not paying enough attention when it all happened.

I see it this way.

If Hall had been a bitch and started a public slanging match, it would have done him, nor the Swans any favours.

He realised that it was over at the Swans - or it was made clear to him, and he took the high road and it will serve him well now.

Good on him for not coming out with 'his side of the story'
Sadly, some of the Swans were the only ones who couldn't button their mouths.

Hall caused his own demise, but from there he handled everything in the best possible way IMO.

[Mr Magoo]

I dont think we got the real story from any side. All the Swans did was come out and condemn his actions. Nothing wrong with that and if they hadnt they would be copping the same flak that Carlton has in recent days over Fevolas actions.

[ShockOfHair]

Rodney Eade's love child is going back to his sugar daddy.

Hope his sugar daddy can control him.

Malthouse summed it up best: "If Roos and Kirk can't control Barry Hall what hope does anyone else have?"

Good luck Baz in the new colours. Not sure I believe the deal is done. Where's our second round draft pick?

[Donners]

Why do you say that? I'm not overly keen on Seaby but Everitt will only ever be a part-time ruckman - just not big enough.

With White, Goodes, Everitt and LRT all in the best 22, I think that there will be plenty of breaks for Jolly as required. Let's not forget that he rucked much of 2006 with minimal support.

Brisbane had no real backup for Clark and nor did Essendon for Ryder and Fremantle for Sandilands.

[ugg]

Let the games begin: Bulldogs want to offer 63, we want pick 31.

Swans haggle on Hall | Herald Sun

The dreaded "We'll take him in the PSD then" threat has already been dragged out. So much for friendly dealings.

[DST]

Who cares if we don't get the full story.

Both the club and Hall have held their tongue on the issue and this has allowed all parties to move forward without complications.

Hall has no one to blame but himself for how it ended in Sydney and in the end the club had no other option but to part ways with him.

I hope he does well at the Dogs, we get compensated adequately and we get the chance to play some of our younger guys going forward next year which is exciting.

DST

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Pick 63, so basically nothing. They're the ones that want him while their window is still open, yet they pretty much want it for free.

I hope another team comes into the picture now and they miss out, if that's the attitude they have.

[Kirkari]

Let the games begin: Bulldogs want to offer 63, we want pick 31.

Swans haggle on Hall | Herald Sun

The dreaded "We'll take him in the PSD then" threat has already been dragged out. So much for friendly dealings.

""We're more than happy to take our chances in the draft," Fantasia said." A bold bargaining statement but clearly untrue. If they were MORE THAN HAPPY to do that, then why would they talk about giving a draft and possibly a player at all?

I say we go hard - they know they need a proven tall forward and are sick of losing preliminary finals.