(Jolly to Pies, Pick 14 & 46) If Jolly leaves, I'm gonna cry....

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  • cruiser
    What the frack!
    • Jul 2004
    • 6114

    I'm not critical of Jolly wanting to return to Melbourne, as unfortunate as that is. However I'm not happy about him deciding that the only club he wanted to go to was Collingwood and I'm still very unhappy about what we got from Collingwood. I go back to a previous post i made and think we should have gone for 1st round and Medhurst (who might be happy to leave the Pies). Medhurst is surely better than pick 46 would have added some spark and talent up forward (a potentially good replacement for MOL). On a good day he is brilliant.
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    • DST
      The voice of reason!
      • Jan 2003
      • 2705

      Originally posted by Captain
      People who think that Pick 14 in a shallow draft will bring us a gun midfielder are kidding themselves. It will be pure luck.
      Pick 6 will bring us the midfielder, pick 14 allows us the felxibility to go for a tall that might have fallen between 6 and pick 22 that we originally had.

      DST
      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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      • Chilcott
        Regular in the Side
        • Jan 2008
        • 595

        Originally posted by cruiser
        I'm not critical of Jolly wanting to return to Melbourne, as unfortunate as that is. However I'm not happy about him deciding that the only club he wanted to go to was Collingwood and I'm still very unhappy about what we got from Collingwood. I go back to a previous post i made and think we should have gone for 1st round and Medhurst (who might be happy to leave the Pies). Medhurst is surely better than pick 46 would have added some spark and talent up forward (a potentially good replacement for MOL). On a good day he is brilliant.
        Medhurst isn't much chop. Maybe good on his day, but doesn't get near it on other days.

        Played mostly reserves in the second half of 2009.

        We will be better off with pick 46.

        All in all, I am happy with what we got for Jolly, as long as we can snag Mumford.

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        • snajik
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 1115

          Originally posted by goswannie14
          Why? We missed out on back to back flags because of it!
          We missed out on back to back flags because of what?
          It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
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          • Blood
            On the Rookie List
            • Dec 2007
            • 164

            Originally posted by goswannie14
            Why? We missed out on back to back flags because of it!
            I expect no better from the bleeding hearts brigade.

            My first and only loyalty is to the Swans. The scrag comment stands!!
            Sydney Swans - Finals bound in 2011

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            • DST
              The voice of reason!
              • Jan 2003
              • 2705

              Originally posted by snajik
              We missed out on back to back flags because of what?
              John Worsfolds realisation that he needed to play a player behind the ball in the space in front of Hall and Magic had way more to do with the outcome than anything else.

              It's about the only time he has done it and was a radical departure from the previous final in Perth in the first week where Hall and Magic kicked at least 10 between them and we won the game.

              DST
              "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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              • Cosmic Wizard
                recruit me pretty please!
                • Sep 2005
                • 620

                Originally posted by hammo
                Don't bag his family? How about not bagging the Donk! He played quite well in the grand final.
                How dare his family come in the way of our club!!!

                I'm sick of these pathetic loser who put family first.

                They must attend the birth of child, marriage, etc.

                They are not just hard enough!!!!

                No wonder we don't make the finals.
                doof-doof

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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16787

                  Originally posted by 10Totti10
                  We payed way to much for him at the time.
                  Depends on how you assess what we should have paid.

                  Could we have got him for less? Who knows. We don't know what other clubs were sniffing around him. And remember that trade currency is lumpy. 16 might have been on the high side but our next pick was at 32. This lumpiness means sometimes you land up paying (or receiving) slightly under the odds, sometimes slightly over). It is something Pies fans conveniently overlook when they continue to whinge that the Swans duped Collingwood over the Davis trade. Yes, what we gave might have been slightly low given his age and prospects, but surely they can't argue he'd shown enough to warrant up giving up pick 7 (which later became pick 5 and McVeigh)?

                  If you use the benefit of hindsight to assess whether we gave too much for Jolly, the equivalent pick in other years has brought players like DOK and Willoughby to the club. How many games did little Willo play before being delisted? How much "trade value" did we recoup when he was delisted? Will DOK ever play one? Will he even get a chance to try next season?

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    We won a bloody premiership with Jolly, therfore we didn't pay over the odds.

                    I would have given Melbourne pick 1 if I knew that Jolly would have played in a premiership with us in our first year.

                    DST
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • caj23
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2462

                      Originally posted by DST
                      We won a bloody premiership with Jolly, therfore we didn't pay over the odds.

                      I would have given Melbourne pick 1 if I knew that Jolly would have played in a premiership with us in our first year.

                      DST
                      +1

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                      • Go Swannies
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 5697

                        I walked into the 2005 Grand Final dinner with Jolly. I said "I guess you're happy about coming from Melbourne now Darren?" and he replied "Melbourne? Who are they?" And laughed. I suspect he may have the same attitude about the Swans by now.

                        Thanks for 2005 Darren - and thanks for nothing for 2006. You played very well for us this year and we're grateful for that. But now, if Baz wins a Premiership with the Doggies I'll be very happy - as long it's not against us. But I'd be equally happy if Darren never plays another winning game with his new team.

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                        • Cardinal
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 932

                          Originally posted by Go Swannies
                          I walked into the 2005 Grand Final dinner with Jolly. I said "I guess you're happy about coming from Melbourne now Darren?" and he replied "Melbourne? Who are they?" And laughed. I suspect he may have the same attitude about the Swans by now.

                          Thanks for 2005 Darren - and thanks for nothing for 2006. You played very well for us this year and we're grateful for that. But now, if Baz wins a Premiership with the Doggies I'll be very happy - as long it's not against us. But I'd be equally happy if Darren never plays another winning game with his new team.

                          Yep - just what we need cuts the bonds loose:

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                          • ScottH
                            It's Goodes to cheer!!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 23665

                            Originally posted by Cardinal
                            Yep - just what we need cuts the bonds loose:

                            http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1225784514323
                            Smells of FIGJAM.

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                            • Primmy
                              Proud Tragic Swan
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 5970

                              Originally posted by ScottH
                              Smells of FIGJAM.
                              Doesn't it though. Well I don't think we would ever accuse the bloke of being the smartest or most sophisticated kid on the block. You didn't get statements like that from Shaw, or from Nick Davis (who could teach Jolls a fair bit about how to make major change with diplomacy no matter how unpopular).

                              I would never boo Hall or Monty, but I am puckering up already for Jolls. Which saddens me.
                              If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                              • CJK
                                Human
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 2170

                                Yup, boos for Jolly are go
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