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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16764

    Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
    well it didnt feel as low as the Melbourne loss in 2010 but it was up there.................very strange how last year we turned things around and looked very solid the rest of the season !
    It isn't really strange, it is quite predictable. And hence I am not slitting my wrists over the weekend's "effort", disappointing though it was. Even the very best teams - and yes, I know we're not there yet - have their down days and yet still bounce back. Remember how insipid the Hawks have been for their last few trips up here, including in their premiership year. Or how even the mighty Cats got slaughtered one match by a still young and developing Pies side in their all-conquering 2007 season? Or go back further - how the lowly reigning wooden spooners, the Swans, blasted Carlton one Friday night in 1995.

    Of course, an inspid performance doesn't necessarily mean a team will pick themselves back up. But it certainly doesn't preclude it. And while some of the deficiencies that became so painfully obvious yesterday have been plaguing the team throughout 2011 (such as some woeful turnovers and lack of any kind of forward structure), the team has still shown enough character to beat Essendon, West Coast and the Dogs thus far.

    I think it is becoming evident that the number one most important factor for success as a team is an unwavering belief and committment in the game plan. Talented players and luck with injuries are important too, but without that belief, I doubt they matter much if that belief isn't there.

    Exhibits A & B - 2011 versions of St Kilda and Western Bulldogs versus their 2009-10 versions. Essentially the same players but the belief has gone.

    Exhibits C & D - 2011 versions of Essendon and West Coast versus their 2010 versions. Can these two teams seriously be the same rabbles as they were in 2010. West Coast couldn't hit the side of a barn door last year and now they are slicing up the Dogs to the tune of 120+ points. Sure, Cox back fit, the developement of Naitanui and Shuey, and the recruitment of Darling have helped. But they can't completely explain why players nearly on the scrap heap a year ago, like Embley, Lynch, Nicoski, are now world beaters.

    Exhibit E - the transformation of Geelong of 2006 into the Geelong of 2007

    Exhibit F - the blue collar Swans of 2005 triumphing in the midfield over the far classier midfields of St Kilda and West Coast.

    The Swans played some ordinary footy in 2005 and they played some ordinary footy in 2010. They also played some fantastic footy at times. Despite the players saying not much has changed this year with Longmire's appointment, I think it is evident that the team is trying to do things a little differently than last. And I don't think they all yet fully understand or believe in some aspects of what they are trying to do. In all likelihood, Longmire doesn't completely know either. And even if he does, he needs to develop the cattle to achieve this, which will take some time.

    Will we win the premiership this year? Probably not. Will we play finals? I suspect we will. Will the boys play footy this season that will thrill us again? Of course. Will they frustrate the hell out of us again before it all comes together? Of that there can be no doubt.

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    • Big Al
      Veterans List
      • Feb 2005
      • 7007

      Listen Liz, I'm getting sick of you introducing thought and logic to these threads. We want to panic and gnash teeth goddammit.
      ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

      Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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      • erica
        Happy and I know it
        • Jan 2008
        • 1247

        According to Goodes in the SMH today, the team didn't implement the game plan. Well, why didn't they?

        He also said "From the feeling out there [on the field] the energy was horrible." What on earth does that mean?

        (The online version of this story has been heavily edited to about half the length that's in the printed paper and doesn't mention these statements.)
        All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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        • Big Al
          Veterans List
          • Feb 2005
          • 7007

          Originally posted by erica
          He also said "From the feeling out there [on the field] the energy was horrible." What on earth does that mean?
          In that case instead of Powerade we should be giving them Red Bull.
          ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

          Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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          • swansrule100
            The quarterback
            • May 2004
            • 4538

            Should we ban mobile phones for the players?
            Theres not much left to say

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            • Big Al
              Veterans List
              • Feb 2005
              • 7007

              Originally posted by Wardy
              I'm trialing the Big Al Grand seating view at the Richmond game - anything to get me away from those in the MAN who have finally succeeded in doing my head in. (ORB Mr & Mrs & Primmy are the exception's of course- we think the world of our Primms & ORB's) I may take up citizenship in the Brewongle next year (I also believe that Al puts on drinks and canapes as well ") like a box of jatz he is the great entertainer!
              I do put on drinks and when I find out what Canapes are I'll put those on as well.
              ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

              Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16764

                Originally posted by Big Al
                I when I find out what Canapes are I'll put those on as well.
                Aren't they like tents - canvas covering against the elements? Not important yesterday but would have been useful for the Carlton and Geelong games for those in the cheap seats.

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                • Big Al
                  Veterans List
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 7007

                  Originally posted by dimelb
                  ... or totally crackers?!
                  You've been talkin to the people I sit near... not fair.
                  ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                  Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                  • Bas
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 4457

                    Originally posted by Big Al
                    I do put on drinks and when I find out what Canapes are I'll put those on as well.
                    I'll send you a detailed list.

                    I like the signatures.
                    In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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                    • Big Al
                      Veterans List
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 7007

                      Originally posted by swansrule100
                      Should we ban mobile phones for the players?
                      No need for a ban, just connect them all to Vodafone.
                      ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                      Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                      • Xie Shan
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2929

                        Originally posted by swansrule100
                        Should we ban mobile phones for the players?
                        Well, Kirk was into meditation and finding calm, and we definitely could use some of that focus right about now... didn't he recommend Hanners try the meditation a while back, not saying banning mobile phones is the answer but maybe restricting their use a couple of days before games, like prize fighters preparing for a major bout. I read somewhere once that Eade banned the players from having sex in the lead-up to the 1996 GF (didn't help!) but teams have tried all sorts of tricks to find that focus over the years.

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                        • Xie Shan
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2929

                          Originally posted by liz
                          The Swans played some ordinary footy in 2005 and they played some ordinary footy in 2010.
                          In this regard, if anyone ever needs any reinforcement as to the value of self-belief and what it can do (not just in footy, but with life in general), there are two threads on this board in particular that stick out, the match thread from the game in 2005 when we came from six goals down to beat the lions at the gabba, and the one from the infamous saints game at the dome in that season when robert walls wouldn't stop bagging us and our 'ugly' game plan, look how that turned out.

                          Yes there are a lot of other factors that make a successful team and it's not simply a matter of 'dreaming, believing, achieving' but self-belief does make a HUGE difference.

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                          • Big Al
                            Veterans List
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 7007

                            Originally posted by Xie Shan
                            Well, Kirk was into meditation and finding calm, and we definitely could use some of that focus right about now... didn't he recommend Hanners try the meditation a while back, not saying banning mobile phones is the answer but maybe restricting their use a couple of days before games, like prize fighters preparing for a major bout. I read somewhere once that Eade banned the players from having sex in the lead-up to the 1996 GF (didn't help!) but teams have tried all sorts of tricks to find that focus over the years.
                            Reminds me of an old joke...

                            Why don't boxers have sex before a fight?
                            Because they don't fancy each other.

                            Clubs employ sports psychologists to get into the players heads these days. If teams are just off mentally they will be beaten. All the game plans and preparation can be for nothing unless the team has "turned up" to play. Clubs have to find a way to get their players focused and ready on a consistent basis.
                            ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                            Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                            • Xie Shan
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2929

                              Originally posted by Big Al
                              Clubs employ sports psychologists to get into the players heads these days. If teams are just off mentally they will be beaten. All the game plans and preparation can be for nothing unless the team has "turned up" to play. Clubs have to find a way to get their players focused and ready on a consistent basis.
                              Hit the nail on the head right there Al

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                              • Primmy
                                Proud Tragic Swan
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 5970

                                Al, your new avatar is wonderful!!!

                                Wardy!!! I know why you are leaving.....but....sob.....well, then again.....sniff...........don't blame you.

                                There were so many part time swannies at the game on sunday, the up and down, trays of beer, chat chat chat, tweed coats and for heavens sake NINE INCH HEELS IN THE MANS!!! are you Insane! people arriving 10 minutes before the game and getting all huffy cos the better seats were taken; hence I think the dense atmosphere. Its not as though these people do not know what is going on out there, not nearly as much "that's a knock on" as there was 15 years ago, but at times there is almost a lack of respect for the Swannies who want to watch the game. I am almost thinking of looking at the expensive seats too, but...

                                Of course the crap game may have had something to do with that as well.

                                (someone please explain to me why in the fifteen minutes before a game begins there are trails of people wandering up and down the stairs looking for and expecting to find "premium" seats in a jam packed stand that have been claimed up to three hours before they have bothered to get there and keep being surprised and annoyed to find stickers and scarves attached to said seats by people who are off getting a drink or meal; week in and week out, its the same) spleeen vented; but honestly are all those people just that unintelligent!!
                                If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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