Mega merged trading thread

[DA_Swan]

Didn't LJ sign a 2 yr contract extension only a couple of months ago? Why would a) he sign it then decide to leave and b) the club trade him after they just committed to him?

What's the point of signing the contract in the first place?

Adelaide are on the record as saying that they were looking to bring home South Australians

Buy signing a contract at least we got a draft pick and Armstrong - otherwise we might have got nothing - I did not want to see him leave either - will be interesting to see how his "foot" holds up down the track - Armstrong was a swan supporter as kid so at least he want's to be here - if LJ did not want to go he did not have to !!!

[Lucky Knickers]

Well good luck to LJ. I hope he can get his body right and play some good football for the Crows.

[Bas]

TWR is just on and they are saying the new St Kilda coach will either try to talk Walsh into staying under a new regime or will have a look what the SWans have on offer and do the deal.

They said that many have called Walsh the Irish Wayne Carey (hopefully not like Barlow was the new Goodes). He has had an outstanding season in the VFL and promising with a capital P.

[Jewels]

Adelaide are on the record as saying that they were looking to bring home South Australians

Buy signing a contract at least we got a draft pick and Armstrong - otherwise we might have got nothing - I did not want to see him leave either - will be interesting to see how his "foot" holds up down the track - Armstrong was a swan supporter as kid so at least he want's to be here - if LJ did not want to go he did not have to !!!

Yep!

Well good luck to LJ. I hope he can get his body right and play some good football for the Crows.

Seconded.

[Wardy]

You're on.

I dunno people. All this angst about recruiting intelligence, when if you think objectively its being done by the same group that brought us Kennedy, McGlynne, Mumford, and who recruited a kid who was still at school (you know, the 2010 Rising Star award winner). There are reasons for decisions made that we are not privvy to. No amount of speculation is going to change that.

Too right Prims - we can speculate all we want but in the end, we get no say, nor should we. The Powers that be are paid to do a job, and they have done rather well from where I'm sitting. SO lets just wait and see what pans out shall we? Blimey its going to be a long off season.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

You're on.

I dunno people. All this angst about recruiting intelligence, when if you think objectively its being done by the same group that brought us Kennedy, McGlynne, Mumford, and who recruited a kid who was still at school (you know, the 2010 Rising Star award winner). There are reasons for decisions made that we are not privvy to. No amount of speculation is going to change that.

If you are want to have your argument supporting the omniscience of our recruiting department (and the limitations in the thinking of your fellow R&Wers then I suggest you don't use Hannebury and the 2008 national draft in your argument, because in that draft the Swans selected Lewis Johnstone before Dan Hannebury.

And as for speculation, it may not change anything, but it's certainly more stimulating than simply parrotting the latest spin from the Swans management (If I wanted mindless repition of club press releases I'd be reading the drivel produced by Sydney's sports journalists, not RWO).

[stellation]

The lure home for those from Vic/SA/WA that spend a lot of time in the magoos is significantly boosted by the opportunity to play at VFL/SANFL/WAFL level when not getting a run in the seniors. The significance of developing the NEAFL into an elite, well respected second tier league cannot be undersold- in my opinion it is key to the successful, sustainable expansion of the AFL; not just the value to clubs that it presents with enhanced development of players running around in the magoos, but also the value in the personal satisfaction for those players playing at that level.

[707]

Come on guys, stop gnashing teeth over LJ. We not only got Armstrong but also pick 35 which may prove very important tomorrow in the mad monday trade rush.

It could be the key to us getting Walsh so lets wait until 2pm tomorrow before we decide if the recruiters have done well AGAIN!

[ScottH]

No, because I doubt they have any value. The former hasn't played a game in four years, and the latter has clear issues with fitness and was a mature age recruit.

All we would get at best is a late pick in a weak draft, which would not benefit us and is not what we should be looking for when we are looking to push to the top few spots on the ladder.

No, not really. TDL has had only 2 years on the list and is a very smart footballer. With a huge preseason and a fitness base we'll see a better TDL next season.

Currie had an outstanding year in the reserves and the fact they were willing to let Seaby go means the coaching staff are confident he'll take the next step.

OK, good, so it was only me.

[Jewels]

If you are want to have your argument supporting the omniscience of our recruiting department (and the limitations in the thinking of your fellow R&Wers then I suggest you don't use Hannebury and the 2008 national draft in your argument, because in that draft the Swans selected Lewis Johnstone before Dan Hannebury.

And as for speculation, it may not change anything, but it's certainly more stimulating than simply parrotting the latest spin from the Swans management (If I wanted mindless repition of club press releases I'd be reading the drivel produced by Sydney's sports journalists, not RWO).

I take a great deal of offence to your post. I don't believe I am limited in my thinking simply because I choose to put my faith in the people who truly know the ins and outs of the club over the "experts" on here.
As far as the 2008 draft goes, perhaps you should remember that prior to the draft, Lewis was quite highly rated and it was of no surprise to anyone when he went first round. Hanners on the other hand was not so well known or thought of. The fact that Hanners has gone on to be the player he is, is a credit to both the boy himself and the nouse of Roos (who spotted him whilst watching a nephew? at a local game) who was hell bent on getting him, knowing that he was not going to go in the first round.

[liz]

It is certainly illogical to argue that our drafters stuffed up by not picking Hanners at 12 given that he was still there at 30.

If we want to slash our wrists, using the benefit of hindsight, we might as well do it over picking Johnston ahead of Shuey, Zaharakis, Trengove or Redden.

[Primmy]

If we want to slash our wrists, using the benefit of hindsight, we might as well do it over picking Johnston ahead of Shuey, Zaharakis, Trengove or Redden.

[Big Al]

If you are want to have your argument supporting the omniscience of our recruiting department (and the limitations in the thinking of your fellow R&Wers then I suggest you don't use Hannebury and the 2008 national draft in your argument, because in that draft the Swans selected Lewis Johnstone before Dan Hannebury.

And as for speculation, it may not change anything, but it's certainly more stimulating than simply parrotting the latest spin from the Swans management (If I wanted mindless repition of club press releases I'd be reading the drivel produced by Sydney's sports journalists, not RWO).

What's stimulating on these forums is well thought out opinions coming from fair minded people. Those who constantly criticize the club and it's coaching staff without EVER giving credit where it's due are just as bad as those who sycophantly believe that the Swans do nothing wrong. (these are rare on RWO - read the threads after the Richmond game fir evidence of that)

There is nothing wrong with pointing out that our recruiting record is pretty good and that the recruiters should be given the benefit of the doubt. I have misgivings about this trade bit I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I know more than blokes with hundreds of games experience who as Primmy said, have access to more information than any of us on here.

[top40]

Tony Armstrong played all of his Crows games in season 2011 for the last five games in year:

-Brisbane Lions-Round 20: 7 marks 19 disposals 4 tackles
-Geelong- Round 21: 6 marks 21 disposals 2 tackles
-Gold Coast-Round 22: 6 marks 20 disposals 3 tackles
-Richmond-Round 23: 6 marks 23 disposals 2 tackles
-West Coast-Round 24: 2 marks 7 disposals 1 tackles


Very impressive stats, except the last game against the Eagles. WCE won that game by 95 points. But does anyone know if he got an injury in that game?

[Bas]

In the Johnston draft, 10 players before him have become regular first graders playing a few seasons now. Only Vickery (Richmond) a long term ruck and Hartlett (Port) injury prone haven't.

This will be a time capsule one but I think might go down the same path as Ryan Fitzgerald.