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  • Peace
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2010
    • 598

    #76
    He isnt risking further suspension. It's 1week whether he challenges or not.

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    • Melbourne_Blood
      Senior Player
      • May 2010
      • 3312

      #77
      Izzy Folaus half spear tackle in the NAB cup was potentially dangerous, but wasnt actually dangerous in the end and casued no injury, therefore he got off. Should the same logic not apply to this case?

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      • WeHaveTheGoodes
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Mar 2012
        • 259

        #78
        Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
        Izzy Folaus half spear tackle in the NAB cup was potentially dangerous, but wasnt actually dangerous in the end and casued no injury, therefore he got off. Should the same logic not apply to this case?
        Yeah but Goodsey isnt paid a mil a year by the AFL to think he likes playing AFL. No good having the AFLs show-piece being suspended the week in which their lovechild has to open the season.

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        • Melbourne_Blood
          Senior Player
          • May 2010
          • 3312

          #79
          I think the Folau decision was the correct one. I dont think anyone would have got suspended for that.

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          • chalbilto
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2007
            • 1139

            #80
            Originally posted by Nondo
            Surjan can slide in because he got there first. All he risked injuring was the ball. Goodes cannot slide in because Surjan got there first and it was a dangerous situation - it turned out that Surjan wasn't badly hurt, but Goodes could have easily broken his ribs or knocked him out. If you're second to the ball you have to tackle legally, ie. keep your feet and tackle between the knees and the shoulder. The onus is on the player, just like you have to stop yourself clocking someone whose head is over the ball. The AFL has said for 2 years you can't slide in and quite rightly because it's dangerous and the spirit of the game is to protect the player that goes in first and puts his hands on the ball.
            It's a shame, but it's Adam Goodes' fault - not the commentators, On the Couch, Netball, the MRP, Chris Judd or Jacob Surjan.
            Can you clarify something for me viz; can or can't you slide in. You stated that Surjan can slide in then you stated that the AFL can't slide in. So if you can't slide in shouldn't Sujan also have been charged? Can you elaborate? Also can you tell me how much time Goodes had to stop himself in his slide (in normal time not slow motion or frame by frame)?

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            • Nondo
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2011
              • 23

              #81
              I think the answer is in the first sentence (the part you didn't bold).

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              • chalbilto
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2007
                • 1139

                #82
                Therefore upon your reasoning any player who contests the ball and slides in before his opponent is o.k. but if the other player is second to the contest he can't slide in should he continue with the sliding motion he should be charged with rough play. If this is the case can you give an example of how much actual time does the second player have to get to the contest before he can't slide.

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                • Nondo
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 23

                  #83
                  If you slide with your knees / feet into a player who is on the ground at speed you get reported for rough conduct. If there is a risk you might do this, and you don't want to get reported / injure someone, don't do it - go headfirst or keep your feet. As others have noted it's a question of technique. You can always run the risk if you want, but you have to accept responsibility if you muck it up.

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                  • Triple B
                    Formerly 'BBB'
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6999

                    #84
                    Originally posted by jono2707
                    It would be interesting to hear Jacob Surjan's take on the whole incident. He is a particularly hard nut (Port's Bevo perhaps?) and I kinda like the way he plays the game....
                    Can't imagine Bevo running in, clapping and generally getting in Jetta's face like Surjan did when Jets missed the goal after the run from the wing...
                    Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                    • jono2707
                      Goes up to 11
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3326

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Triple B
                      Can't imagine Bevo running in, clapping and generally getting in Jetta's face like Surjan did when Jets missed the goal after the run from the wing...
                      Glad I put the 'kinda' in there! I don't recall seeing that, maybe my eyes were looking to the heavens at that moment....

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                      • Triple B
                        Formerly 'BBB'
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6999

                        #86
                        Originally posted by jono2707
                        Glad I put the 'kinda' in there! I don't recall seeing that, maybe my eyes were looking to the heavens at that moment....

                        The reason it was so vivid in my mind is because I thought it was out of character. I 'kinda' had the same opinion of Surjan as you....lol
                        Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                        • DeadlyAkkuret
                          Veterans List
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 4547

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Nondo
                          Surjan can slide in because he got there first. All he risked injuring was the ball. Goodes cannot slide in because Surjan got there first and it was a dangerous situation - it turned out that Surjan wasn't badly hurt, but Goodes could have easily broken his ribs or knocked him out.
                          What a load of crap. Did you see the footage? There was no chance of anything being broken or anyone being knocked out, don't be so dramatic.

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                          • Steve
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 676

                            #88
                            I hope he gets off, but personally can't see how. I gather he has to prove he had no alternative - and the AFL won't want to agree with that when it's sliding in with your knees.

                            My reaction (even at the time on Sat) is more of frustration, mainly because:

                            1) He keeps putting himself in these situations unneccesarily, they are minor/harmless, but even more reason to avoid them completely

                            2) He generally doesn't welcome body contact anyway (which is fine, he's a certain type of player, always has been and we have plenty of others to do the bash and crash) - so he'd be better off avoiding the collision altogether than these half-measures which end up being minimal contact (and usually a free kick against at a minimum) anyway.

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                            • chalbilto
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1139

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Steve
                              I hope he gets off, but personally can't see how. I gather he has to prove he had no alternative - and the AFL won't want to agree with that when it's sliding in with your knees.

                              My reaction (even at the time on Sat) is more of frustration, mainly because:

                              1) He keeps putting himself in these situations unneccesarily, they are minor/harmless, but even more reason to avoid them completely

                              2) He generally doesn't welcome body contact anyway (which is fine, he's a certain type of player, always has been and we have plenty of others to do the bash and crash) - so he'd be better off avoiding the collision altogether than these half-measures which end up being minimal contact (and usually a free kick against at a minimum) anyway.
                              I agree with a lot of what you have said, however, in this instance he was going for the ball just as Surjan was. If you look at the footage of the incident look at where Goodes is looking. He has eyes for the ball and he goes down on his knees to attempt to get the ball,then at the last moment he sees Surjan. So in my opinion he did the correct thing in going for the ball. He had no intention to purposely sliding into Surjan, as many posters here are inferring. Given the time he had to re-act, when he saw Surgan, I can't possibly see that he could have done to avoid contact. This incident was totally different to the one in the pre-season, where he deserved to suspension he received. If Goodes had arrived at the ball first would Surjan have been charged by the MRP. I don't think so.

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                              • CureTheSane
                                Carpe Noctem
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 5032

                                #90
                                In the end you have to take into account how soft the game is these days.
                                May as well accept it - it's not going to change.
                                Players will be suspended because of accidental contact which results in an injury.
                                It will be "soccer with hands".

                                Goodsey needs to change this facet of his game or he'll go again.
                                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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