Tippett!!

[ugg]

As much as we would like the deal to be 22 + White so that we don't lose any of our beloved premiership XXII, or those who just missed out (McGlynn, Rohan, Armstrong et al), take off the Swans-coloured glasses for a while and put yourself in the Crows' shoes. While they will lose a ruckman-forward in Tippett, they have another who showed talent in the games he played in Josh Jenkins, a backup option in Shaun McKernan and they are reportedly in the box seat for Jon Giles who was close to the Giants' best player this year. In terms of forwards, Tom Lynch filled in for them whenever Tippett or Walker missed out and Lewis Johnston, despite playing only 1 senior game, had a solid season in the SANFL kicking 50+ goals. Trading for Jesse White is unlikely to be on the top of their priorities right now.

[DamY]

At the end of the day, if a player wants to leave who is out of contract, the player really does hold the cards. I'm not 100% sure if this is the exact same as the Luke Ball situation, but I think the Swans are trying to maintain a positive trade relationship with the Crows which is honorable. Tippett could very realistically walk from Adelaide for nothing and end up at GC (from my understanding). I don't think the Swans will be playing hard ball but I think they will be quite fair.

[Jewels]

Adelaide were on the radio this morning saying that the club would be a better place without Tippett and wouldn't re-draft him if they didn't come to an agreement with Sydney.
Not sure that it was all sour grapes, part of it might be softening people up so that if they only get a pick for him, they realise its better than nothing.

Gee these people must think all fans are stupid. If Adelaide was going to be a better place without him, why the hell did they initially make him a five year offer on more money than any other Crow in the clubs history? Fact of the matter is he hasn't wanted to be there for the last four years so of course they wouldn't re-draft him, too much water under the bridge now.
If he does fall into the PSD he'll end up in either NSW or Qld anyway so as far as Tippett is concerned, he can't lose!

[Plugger46]

As much as we would like the deal to be 22 + White so that we don't lose any of our beloved premiership XXII, or those who just missed out (McGlynn, Rohan, Armstrong et al), take off the Swans-coloured glasses for a while and put yourself in the Crows' shoes. While they will lose a ruckman-forward in Tippett, they have another who showed talent in the games he played in Josh Jenkins, a backup option in Shaun McKernan and they are reportedly in the box seat for Jon Giles who was close to the Giants' best player this year. In terms of forwards, Tom Lynch filled in for them whenever Tippett or Walker missed out and Lewis Johnston, despite playing only 1 senior game, had a solid season in the SANFL kicking 50+ goals. Trading for Jesse White is unlikely to be on the top of their priorities right now.

That's right but given he's definitely going and there's the potential that they could lose him for nothing - does that diminish his trade value somewhat?

[Matty10]

I was all for Grundy going in a trade, for multiple reasons, as stated previously in this thread and others. However, with him staying put that means the Swans will have real selection problems next year (provided that we get Tippett). Some may see that as a good thing (which it might be), but it might also lead some players to frustration and discontentment.

As much as everyone keeps saying that they don't want to lose any premiership players (or McGlynn, or Rohan, or Mitchell) the reality is that someone from the side (a tall player if we want to remain balanced) will not be in the team much next year unless there is a long term like-for-like injury.

[Rod_]

Still expecting pick 22 + White and/or TDL

Ditto from me!

[SPC]

The bit in the process I'm still not clear on is how much say the player has once it gets to the PSD? For the sake of an example, 'if' Tippett has decided he wants to play with the Swans and no other team regardless of location or money offered, can he say no to the first pick teams along the way untill he gets to the Swans pick?

Alternately if Gold Coast wanted him in the PSD, but he says he has a contract waiting with us for (say $700K/yr for 4yrs), do they 'have' to match it? And if they can't match it, can he refuse the pick or does he have to accept less money?

[Nico]

The Adelaide player Jenkins has done a nasty tweet really giving it to Tippett. Disloyal, foregoing mates and all that crap. I wonder if he had gone to a Queensland side whether all this vitriol would have eventuated. Of course Jenkins is coming from a position of strength having been delisted from Essendon's rookie list and managing about 5 games in the seniors in 2012.

[barry]

The bit in the process I'm still not clear on is how much say the player has once it gets to the PSD? For the sake of an example, 'if' Tippett has decided he wants to play with the Swans and no other team regardless of location or money offered, can he say no to the first pick teams along the way untill he gets to the Swans pick?

Alternately if Gold Coast wanted him in the PSD, but he says he has a contract waiting with us for (say $700K/yr for 4yrs), do they 'have' to match it? And if they can't match it, can he refuse the pick or does he have to accept less money?

Tippet is not a free agent, so has no say once he is out of contract with the Crows.

He is still in contract with the crows until just before the drafts, and so crows can trade him at the moment. As part of a trade, a player must agree to the new club. Tippet has just said to the crows I wont agree to anywhere except Sydney.

Once he's out of contract (prior to draft), he no longer has any affiliation with the crows or Sydney. All he can do is nominate the contract he requires (money, length) and enter the pre season draft. Whoever has first pick and can match those gets him. If he says I will only play for Sydney in the draft, he will be draft tampering and will be fined and excluded from the AFL for a year or two.
Since GWS and GC have most of the first picks, not hard to see one of them picking him up. Both meet his "go home" requirements, just not his premiership requirements.


Tippet has screwed the crows by only nominating Sydney. This gives them no bargaining power, yet to get anything at all for tippet they need to deal with the swans. If he'd nominated Brisbane, Gold Coast and Sydney, each would be fighting for his services, and a fair trade would result. This is the weakness in the system. I think a player should have to nominate at least 2 clubs, especially as now each state has two clubs.

[Nico]

How right you are! My go home factor is Sydney, but it will it will still take a couple of first round picks to get me back there. But will come for a visit in March.

No way am I going into the PRD (Post Retirement Draft) if there's even the remotest chance of ending up in Adelaide.

So you have got a first round pick in Chiang Mai?

[liz]

The bit in the process I'm still not clear on is how much say the player has once it gets to the PSD? For the sake of an example, 'if' Tippett has decided he wants to play with the Swans and no other team regardless of location or money offered, can he say no to the first pick teams along the way untill he gets to the Swans pick?

Alternately if Gold Coast wanted him in the PSD, but he says he has a contract waiting with us for (say $700K/yr for 4yrs), do they 'have' to match it? And if they can't match it, can he refuse the pick or does he have to accept less money?

If he goes into the draft (either draft - ND or PSD) he can name his terms (contract length and total value of contract) and any team who picks him is obliged to honour the terms he has named. He cannot pick and choose which club he goes to (or even hint that he won't play if a certain club picks him). If he does, he can be deregistered for draft tampering. He also can't specify how the total contract value is split over the length of the contract - ie if hypothetically he has been offered $3.2m over 4 years, he can't insist that he gets $1.2m in year one and the rest spread over the later years. This stops players (and clubs) exploiting short term constraints a club might have over their cap. Not entirely sure, but he might be able to insist under the above scenario that he gets at least $800k in year one to stop a club picking him up and paying $100k in year one and then $3.1m over the next 3 years.

[Roscoe]

I think it's a bit unfair to basically say "NEENER NEENER NEEEENER! YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT GRUNDY", it was simply speculation. Posters weren't in the spirit of "Oh Grundy's useless, get him the hell out of here" it was generally respectful "Well if someone of quality *had* to go, we could most easy cover the absence of a key defender" (and then it obviously went around in circles about whether we have the depth there or whatever) but this isn't BigFooty, and there aren't really that many Grundy snipers on this board.

At the end of the day, no-one is really privy to the discussions or inner workings of the Club so 99% of anything augured here is speculation, and that isn't disrespectful. Speculation is going to continue on here, it's a hot topic and fair enough some people are becoming upset by it. And if it does that, maybe don't read this until the deal is finalised. There are going to be frustrating posts that we all disagree with, this is a democratic forum. But I guess like the forum rules state, as long as you're not putting down the poster, you can say what you want to say.

Champ - I reckon you are spot on with your comments - balanced, fair and logical, which is more than I am at the moment on my birthday (great to get the congrats email from the moderators) after some more celebratory "red and white"

Reggie underpants is underated and undervalued

Lets not forget he was AA at under 18 and was only put on our rookie list
Something was obviously missing back then
We gave him achance and he worked hard
Like Leo in days gone by and Teddy and AJ now, a former forward has been transformed into a very good backman
He has signed until 2015 - he seems like a low key, low maintenance valuable Blood
I am very happy to have him
I can understand all the rumor and speculation about his trade possibility - ex Croweater and will suit their needs
I have faith in Beaston, Ireland and the Horse
Like all clubs we have made some terrible trades in the past (horse/carey/Daniher/Chambers)
BUT WE ARE NOW THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS !
WE ARE THE PREMIERS

[Triple B]

The Adelaide player Jenkins has done a nasty tweet really giving it to Tippett. Disloyal, foregoing mates and all that crap. I wonder if he had gone to a Queensland side whether all this vitriol would have eventuated. Of course Jenkins is coming from a position of strength having been delisted from Essendon's rookie list and managing about 5 games in the seniors in 2012.

This is the same Jenkins that got fined for putting a teammates club allocated GF tickets on Twitter for sale at a juicy markup.

Obviously a mental giant....not.

[Ludwig]

I was all for Grundy going in a trade, for multiple reasons, as stated previously in this thread and others. However, with him staying put that means the Swans will have real selection problems next year (provided that we get Tippett). Some may see that as a good thing (which it might be), but it might also lead some players to frustration and discontentment.

I also had speculated for similar reasons that Grundy might be part of the trade. Hard to say if it was a Grundy veto or the club's wishes that he will stay on. I am pleased with him staying as I think he is a very good defender, but now wonder how both Pyke and LRT with fit in.

For me, this is yet one more piece of evidence that we are low balling our offer and are not willing to part with our 1st round pick, but admit that I could well be wrong on this one too.

Very uncertain how this will all end up now.

[707]

When a player nominates for the PSD he can do so with terms regarding length of contract and remuneration including how much in what years. It does not have to be an even amount over the number of years nominated.

I doubt Tippett would get past GWS at Pick 1 in the PSD, not the club he wants to go to now but he could be a triple premiership player by 2018 given the massive number of first round picks GWS has on their list.

From Adelaide's point of view, they want a good deal but may have to accept less than they are asking or risk getting nothing. Given the vitriol towards Tippett eminating both officially from the Crows and unofficially from former team mates I doubt Tippett now things he needs to do the right thing by the Crows. Remember he almost didn't sign his last contract two years ago so not re-signing this time is no surprise to the Crows.

I doubt Adelaide will let Tippett walk away for nothing when there is probably the possibility of a first round draft pick in a very strong draft. Sydney will probably sweat on an eleventh hour deal offering our Pick 42 but in reality being willing to part with Pick 22. Expect no positive news until 1.50pm on the last day of trading when forms will be hurriedly signed to meet the 2pm deadline.