Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[caj23]

My observation was slightly tongue in cheek.

However, I do wonder if the relatively high failure rate for players taken with earlyish picks is partly attributable to those who have starred throughout junior football not always adjusting to how hard you have to work to sustain a senior AFL career, and that talent is only a small part of what makes a player successful. Obviously that doesn't apply to all players drafted with early picks. Many adapt very well and marry their talent with determination and application. But I reckon a fair few (and LJ and Vez are possibly too examples) are slower to realise how hard they need to work than, say, a Brett Kirk or Kieran Jack.

Isn't that the point of psych testing, interviewing families etc.?

Obviously you're still going to have misses but our busts over that period IMO were mainly due to plainly picking the wrong player.

DOK wasn't rated in most "experts" top 50, Vez was rated but with the potential issues he had Cyril was no risker selection, LJ I'll let go as we clearly needed a KPF at the time and the way he finished the season he may be coming good now

Anyhow our recent record has certainly been alot better

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Trade Radio?@traderadio

BREAKING: Shane Mumford from @sydneyswans to @GWS_Giants for third round pick (currently 35)

Wasn't expecting that.

Hmmm - not quite a win but reasonable in the circumstances

Where does that leave Andrejas?

[707]

Pick 35 becomes pick 39 after four compo picks are slotted into the first and second rounds. Better than GWS threatened straight after they lost Franklin.

Would really want a better deal for Jesse given how far the compo picks are pushing out the ordr and the fact most clubs aren't rating the draftees past pick 30.

[wolftone57]

Trade Radio?@traderadio

BREAKING: Shane Mumford from @sydneyswans to @GWS_Giants for third round pick (currently 35)

Wasn't expecting that.

that is rather low for Mummy I think. I would have thought a second round pick at least.

[ugg]

that is rather low for Mummy I think. I would have thought a second round pick at least.

1. They could have picked him up in the PSD and compensated us with nothing.
2. I wish people would stop talking about pick in terms of rounds. There are 18 teams (well minus Adelaide and Essendon for Rounds 1-2) per round so to say second round is incredibly vague as it could stretch anywhere from 35 to 51, and there's a big difference there.

[ernie koala]

Under the circumstances not a bad deal for Mummy.

GWS must be targetting another player with their No.1 pick in the PSD.

Everitt will be going elsewhere, or maybe for a player exchange with GWS ?

[Ludwig]

We are going to have too many picks in the 30-45 range. We will have to package up a couple to improve our draft position.

[CureTheSane]

1. They could have picked him up in the PSD and compensated us with nothing.

I would have thought Mummy would have cost them a very early pick in the PSD rather than pick 35
We would have got nothing, but it would have cost them more.

Same with Jesse as a third round pick.
Whilst some are happy to be accepting knowing that the Swans are coming off as "good guys" I see him as worth more than that and if Collingwood really want him, they will trade more or risk losing him.
I say that without any implication of him being "discarded rubbish"

[Ajn]

Ripped...

Getting unders on Mumford, White, Armstrong, and possibly Everitt

Threatened with Mumford potentially walking through pre season. Forced to accept pick 35.
Had he nominated Hawthorn there could have been 2 first round picks and possibly Savage (ala McEvoy)
White and Armstrong need to be off books so get pick 40 (last report via WC)
Everitt may also go to GWS prob through pre season now Mummy is gone.

This is the net result from Franklin coup, loss of depth and late picks as a result.... worried on the further impact

[wolftone57]

1. They could have picked him up in the PSD and compensated us with nothing.
2. I wish people would stop talking about pick in terms of rounds. There are 18 teams (well minus Adelaide and Essendon for Rounds 1-2) per round so to say second round is incredibly vague as it could stretch anywhere from 35 to 51, and there's a big difference there.

Pick 35 is pretty ordinary though Ugg. It is not as though he is a journeyman anymore he is a top flight AFL ruckman and part of the best ruck duo in the AFL. They have pick 22. I would have thought that more appropriate. But then again we are getting chickens for Jesse too. It must have something to do with the Buddy deal. Hawks will be compensated our second round pick probably but that isn't fair to Hawks either as he is a star and was picked up at number 5.

[stellation]

I guess at least with pick 35 we can bundle it with Jesse and Tony to satisfy Collingwood's desires for pick 40.

[wolftone57]

We are going to have too many picks in the 30-45 range. We will have to package up a couple to improve our draft position.

Hannas, Reid, Tippett, Parker, Goodes & Joey were all drafted between 30 & 40. But I do agree as this draft is a bit thin.

[Ludwig]

I would have thought Mummy would have cost them a very early pick in the PSD rather than pick 35
We would have got nothing, but it would have cost them more.

Same with Jesse as a third round pick.
Whilst some are happy to be accepting knowing that the Swans are coming off as "good guys" I see him as worth more than that and if Collingwood really want him, they will trade more or risk losing him.
I say that without any implication of him being "discarded rubbish"

So far there is nothing looking as a PSD prospect for GWS, so taking Mummy with PSD pick 1 would not have cost them anything. Although it does open the door to lose Everitt in the PSD. Hopefully, we would have taken that into consideration before doing the deal with GWS. Perhaps we are willing to lose both for pick 39.

What goes around comes around. Now Mummy will be telling the kids at GWS what a great club the Swans are to play for; when some of their high draft picks can't get a game, they'll be looking our way.

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Hannas, Reid, Tippett, Parker, Goodes & Joey were all drafted between 30 & 40. But I do agree as this draft is a bit thin.

It's not a matter of player quality in that range, but rather, from a practical standpoint (list size and rookie upgrade considerations) we can't use them all.

[Cressakel2]

Chill. The only one in the best 22 would be Mummy. Armstrong will be gone by the end of next season if he stays.

White is soooooo far behind Reid, Goodes, Tippett, Buddy, LRT, Pyke, etc. so best to offload for picks or an as needs type player. Replace White with Membrey - there's big wraps on the kid. Everitt can be replaced by a number of likely types such as Towers.

There's a lot more to play out in this trade period yet. Gotta feeling there's a handy backmen coming our way next week...

[wolftone57]

I think it is the flow on from picking up Buddy. We are going to have to budget a bit after doing the Tippett and Buddy deals. If players come looking fr a pay rise then they are probably going to be moved on. This is what happened after we won in 2005. We kept our stars but moved players on who we couldn't fit into the salary cap. It may have also happened in the Lockett era as well I can't say. But it will be interesting when Jetts, Hannas, Reid, Parker, Johnno & Smithy all come out of contract. There is the solid depth of a premiership team, take that out and you become ordinary with a few mega stars.

[Jewels]

Getting unders on Mumford, White, Armstrong, and possibly Everitt

Threatened with Mumford potentially walking through pre season. Forced to accept pick 35.
Had he nominated Hawthorn there could have been 2 first round picks and possibly Savage (ala McEvoy)
White and Armstrong need to be off books so get pick 40 (last report via WC)
Everitt may also go to GWS prob through pre season now Mummy is gone.

This is the net result from Franklin coup, loss of depth and late picks as a result.... worried on the further impact

Why start another thread saying the exact same thing as every other thread?

GET OVER IT, BUDDY DEAL IS DONE SO NO AMOUNT OF WHINING IS GOING TO CHANGE IT!