Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[Triple B]

... 10 + 27 for 6 + 40

Surely 6 + 40 is much greater value than 10 + 27 ??

Eddie and the rest of the lunatic fringe were carrying on demanding the AFL block the Jesse + 22 for Tippett because it was insufficient. I bet he's quieter on this one...

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Trade out Armstrong White Everitt Mumford along with the retirements of Bolton Mattner Morton plus the delisting of Brown and I think there's a good chance we will use pick 40

I guess if they all get moved on that would be the case, yes....

[lwjoyner]

look like we are going to get gasumpt again by pies. While they try to get pick 6 from eagles we get pick 40 for White whats wrong with 27. And whatabout at least GWS first 2nd rounder for Mummy a premiership ruckman.
Whats happened with our aim to get inside top 5. Looks like Buddy took everything.
My worry with our trades was mentioned in an earlier post.

[caj23]

Is it wishful thinking that GWS will hand over their newly acquired pick 20 for Mummy and Everitt?? *fingers crossed*

[ugg]

Surely 6 + 40 is much greater value than 10 + 27 ??

Eddie and the rest of the lunatic fringe were carrying on demanding the AFL block the Jesse + 22 for Tippett because it was insufficient. I bet he's quieter on this one..

Depends. If you're the recruiter and believe the player you are targeting at 6 will still be there at 10 (not sure how you guarantee this), then 10 + 27 is a much better package than 6 + 40.

[wolftone57]

The line I keep hearing is that this draft has pretty slim pickings. There are not the outstanding players there have been in previous drafts other than the top picks. About top 10-20 is what they are saying on Draft News would see the end of the real talent. From then on the scenario seems to be that a club would then be taking a risk on players. It is interesting that we drafted Johnno at 57 but maybe that draft was a very good one after all. Lukie was taken in the same draft at 40. That 2010 draft was a super draft and they are now saying this draft is very ordinary compared to that. We do need to get a young KPP backman onto our list and at least there is a chance of that here as the better players in this draft tend to be the KPP players.

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Sad to see Tony A being named in the Jesse deal and us only getting pick 40 for them both. That would be idiocy on our part.

[Mug Punter]

Is it wishful thinking that GWS will hand over their newly acquired pick 20 for Mummy and Everitt?? *fingers crossed*

Mummy and Everitt plus Pick 40 we get for White and Armstrong could work, which we can then trade for a ruckman...Believe we have to directly draft at least 3 players and suspect we may draft the minimum given we have Perris and the number of upgrades.

GWS look to have traded well. Dre, Mummy, Shaw and Hunt for starters. Add in Vince as a free agent and they still have two top ten picks plus the first PSD pick. Could see them trade their Pick 9 for players which means that they would probably find pick 40 quite handy. Really I can see the just really drafting Tom Boyd this year plus a couple of 40s given all the talent banking they have been able to do. Always thought they needed to get at least 8 senior hardened footballers in this year and they are well on the way to achieving that.

Will be really interesting to see how they go next season. Of course it will help having a decent coach in charge....

[DK_]

Sad to see Tony A being named in the Jesse deal and us only getting pick 40 for them both. That would be idiocy on our part.

I'm with you on this one. How Jesse and Tony could be worth only pick 40 when Richmond paid pick 28 for a backup ruckman who couldn't get a run in the Blues' incredibly mediocre 22 is beyond me. Jesse in particular will go straight into their starting 22 and, given Cloke's inability to kick goals from point blank range, will probably end up their leading goal kicker.

Surely there must be other clubs interested. We should be using that to leverage a better deal. I'm all for letting players go where they want, but not at the expense of taking it without lube and with a smile on our face.

[Industrial Fan]

It would be Jesse for whatever pick we are given. Armstrong has zero trade currency as any list manager would know he'll be cut. He played no part in our campaign with the number of injuries we had. If we trade him at all its purely good will to see him continue his career.

Would have thought we could get a higher pick than 40 for Jesse though. Free agency has somewhat skewed the value of picks particularly for out of contract players.

As an aside I see GWS is trading for pick 2. Of all the teams that dont need a high draft pick GWS is it. Looks like good business from the Demons.

[ernie koala]

40 does seem a little low, I'm all for the idea of trying to help a guy get to the club of his choice (and I'm happy for all involved etc. etc.) but it does seem like we're taking a bargaining position of "sure, whatever you've got".
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I know we've done well over the years with draft picks in later rounds, but it's important for us to get a couple of picks in the top 20 this year if we can. With so much salary committed already to the top end of the squad we need to be able to draft guys that we are confident can become depth players/compete for spots over the next 5 years whilst on relatively modest salaries.

Totally agree Stell.

I was all for helping Jesse get where he wants, provided it was a reasonable deal (about a late 2nd round)....

Like the deal we did for Wobbles to get Jolly, an elite ruckmen, for pick 14 & 46..which was more than reasonable.

But pick 40 is not enough, I hope we decline, if that's the offer, and let him find a home through the PSD....

Which would all but rule out the Wobbles...Suck on that one Eddie.

[Mug Punter]

It would be Jesse for whatever pick we are given. Armstrong has zero trade currency as any list manager would know he'll be cut. He played no part in our campaign with the number of injuries we had. If we trade him at all its purely good will to see him continue his career.

Would have thought we could get a higher pick than 40 for Jesse though. Free agency has somewhat skewed the value of picks particularly for out of contract players.

As an aside I see GWS is trading for pick 2. Of all the teams that dont need a high draft pick GWS is it. Looks like good business from the Demons.

Great trade for both parties.

For the Dees they get a good young player plus keep a top 10 draft pick.

Reckon GWS will trade pick 2 but it will be worth a lot as, given that GWS will draft Boyd, it guarantees then the pick of their choice excluding Boyd. Can see that pick resulting in quite a high profile signing for the Bogans...

[Ludwig]

After landing Franklin and Tippett for nothing in the last 2 trading periods, we might want to lay low for the remainder of this year. If we got another first round pick, the Melbourne journos will be calling for blood again and claim that we are somehow once more rorting the system, even though Collingwood seem to do it almost every year.

If it is pick 40 for White and Armstrong, it will probably end up being at least as high as 43 after compo picks, which doesn't seem fair value, but we might well be delisting Armstrong if we can't find a home for him; so it does show that we help players find new clubs and is good PR.

2nd and 3rd round picks could be useful if you are targeting KPDs and ruckmen which tend to get overlooked in the earlier rounds, and this is an area of need for us anyway. There are also several players that were overlooked in last year's draft that have come on this year and could be interesting later round picks.

If all the talked about players are moved on, then we will have lost 8 players. We have added 3 already with Franklin, Perris and Patrick Mitchell, so that would make 5 spots left if we keep the same list size; perhaps that would only mean 3 ND picks plus rookie upgrades. There is also a chance that we might exchange Everitt and Mummy for another player rather than a pick.

Most of the better players in this year's draft are midfielders, which is an area where we have a lot of depth. We have quite a few promising young players that should be competing for spots against an already high quality midfield, so we aren't in great need of adding to those numbers at present.

[Mug Punter]

After landing Franklin and Tippett for nothing in the last 2 trading periods, we might want to lay low for the remainder of this year. If we got another first round pick, the Melbourne journos will be calling for blood again and claim that we are somehow once more rorting the system, even though Collingwood seem to do it almost every year.

If it is pick 40 for White and Armstrong, it will probably end up being at least as high as 43 after compo picks, which doesn't seem fair value, but we might well be delisting Armstrong if we can't find a home for him; so it does show that we help players find new clubs and is good PR.

2nd and 3rd round picks could be useful if you are targeting KPDs and ruckmen which tend to get overlooked in the earlier rounds, and this is an area of need for us anyway. There are also several players that were overlooked in last year's draft that have come on this year and could be interesting later round picks.

If all the talked about players are moved on, then we will have lost 8 players. We have added 3 already with Franklin, Perris and Patrick Mitchell, so that would make 5 spots left if we keep the same list size; perhaps that would only mean 3 ND picks plus rookie upgrades. There is also a chance that we might exchange Everitt and Mummy for another player rather than a pick.

Most of the better players in this year's draft are midfielders, which is an area where we have a lot of depth. We have quite a few promising young players that should be competing for spots against an already high quality midfield, so we aren't in great need of adding to those numbers at present.

My understanding is Perris is on the rookie list and Mitchell is an international rookie so our 8 vacancies will be drafts and upgrades or players coming in on trades. I would have thought we'd upgrade Rampe, BJ, Lloyd and Biggs, bring in an experienced ruckman and draft 3 players

[Bloodthirsty]

Gotta say - love the way that the Swans have aggressively recruited two guns of the comp, but I am bewildered at the apparent acceptance of mediocre draft picks All I can assume is that the trade period is not over yet and we are going for pick #1 at the last minute.

[Jewels]

It would be Jesse for whatever pick we are given. Armstrong has zero trade currency as any list manager would know he'll be cut. He played no part in our campaign with the number of injuries we had. If we trade him at all its purely good will to see him continue his career.

This^^^
If we only get 40 for Jesse then we only get 40 for Jesse. He did the right thing by us when we needed him too last season so we should do the right thing by him and get him to where he wants to go.
I can't believe how many on here have been so defensive of Jesse yet are willing to just send him to the PSD like a piece of disguarded rubbish.

[liz]

Gotta say - love the way that the Swans have aggressively recruited two guns of the comp, but I am bewildered at the apparent acceptance of mediocre draft picks All I can assume is that the trade period is not over yet and we are going for pick #1 at the last minute.

When our best players are the likes of Goodes, ROK, Jack, Smith, Hanners, AJ etc, rather than DOK, Veszpremi or Johnston, I can understand why our recruiters aren't too fussed about where their draft picks sit!!