Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[ernie koala]

It does not worry me if we only get pick 44 for Jesse White and Tony Armstrong. The Swans over the last 4 years have not allowed Jesse to play and develop to his full potential, and they owe it to Jesse to give him a great opportunity at another club where he can have great success. A Collingwood forward line of Cloke, White and Ben Reid pitch hitting will be very dangerous.

Jesse should have been the forward to replace Barry Hall, but the Swans never gave him the encouragement and support they granted to Sam Reid. Unfortunately the Swans in the process also put Sam Reid in such a physically demanding position as a young athlete and now he is injury prone and physically smashed up!

I don't agree with you. White was given ample opportunities over the past 4 years. It's just that he only delivered, on his potential, this season.

I also don't think Reid is... "physically smashed up" . He's had a reoccurring quad injury.

[Bloodthirsty]

What I am concerned about with any new trades from here on is that we can't really take more than 3 live picks and we already have 15, 35, 39 and 53. I'm fine if we don't use 53. But what does adding pick 44 do for us? It's a useless pick. It's like the Giants giving us 39. We only got that pick because they had no intention of using it.

And then there is the unsettled situation with Everitt. What could we possibly get for him that would help our draft position? I am resigned to the fact that we will get little compensation for these players compared to their actual trade value, but hope that we can at least upgrade our existing picks. I can't see the point of trading for picks that we cannot use or package up for a higher pick.

Quality Swans players, s---- picks. What's going on?

[Matt80]

I don't agree with you. White was given ample opportunities over the past 4 years. It's just that he only delivered, on his potential, this season.

I also don't think Reid is... "physically smashed up" . He's had a reoccurring quad injury.

Playing as a key forward at the Swans physically takes it toll. The Swans kick long and high to a key forward, who usually gets big bodied defenders and a ruckman flying into them. By the end of the season Kurt Tippett looked injured and weary from that style of football. Think about how tough that style of football is for a player like Reid who started playing that role in just his second year of football in 2011.

Jesse White will now be a huge success at Collongwood or wherever he ends up. I worry though that he will deliver a killer blow to the Swans in a final series by sinking clutch goals from 55m out!

[sharp9]

A couple of years ago we picked up a potential CHF for around pick 30 who had never even played and The Saints fans thought they were ROBBED, they were FILTHY....so Bernie Vince 23, Shaun Hampson 28 and Collingwood's walk on prime 25 year old CHF who might play in a premiership next year is worth 44???????????? WTF?

Ted Richards = pick 19 and he couldn't get a proper game at Essendon...ditto Darren Jolly (pick 15)....Tom Lee (to St, Kilda) was pick 12, I think and HE hadn't played (much) either. That's what these type of players are REALLY worth. And didn't Adelaide pick up a 3rd year untried tall for a teen pick as well?

[dimelb]

Playing as a key forward at the Swans physically takes it toll. The Swans kick long and high to a key forward, who usually gets big bodied defenders and a ruckman flying into them. By the end of the season Kurt Tippett looked injured and weary from that style of football. Think about how tough that style of football is for a player like Reid who started playing that role in just his second year of football in 2011.

Jesse White will now be a huge success at Collingwood or wherever he ends up. I worry though that he will deliver a killer blow to the Swans in a final series by sinking clutch goals from 55m out!

I've seen it the same way for a long time (the "long and high" bit) and shared in everyone's grumbles about it. Then I tried to see things without the red and white glasses, and realised that all clubs who have a decent key forward or two do the same thing quite often.
Another factor is that, especially early in the game when defenders are still comparatively fresh, a quick kick forward is often as much as any ballwinners can manage; again, all clubs do this because under those circumstances, it is about all that can be done.
However, we can also deliver great ball into the forward 50: Jetta is quite outstanding at this (think 2012 GF), Nic Mal can do it and Macca is pretty good too. I'd like to see us develop ways of doing this more often. Perhaps with the spread (not clump) of forwards we will have in 2014 we might see people able to pick their targets a bit more often.

[aardvark]

Jesse White will now be a huge success at Collingwood or wherever he ends up.

It won't happen. Jesse won't have a clue what Buckley is on about, Buckley will get pissed with him and he'll end up kicking 50 a season in the VFL until he is delisted.

[royboy42]

It won't happen. Jesse won't have a clue what Buckley is on about, Buckley will get pissed with him and he'll end up kicking 50 a season in the VFL until he is delisted.

Aardy. I read your comment and tend to go along with you. Then I read someone else who reckons he'll be a terrific asset to the Woods.
Trouble is that I agree with both schools of thought, and that's been the problem with Jesse all along...you just don't know which Jesse is going to turn up.

[Matt80]

It won't happen. Jesse won't have a clue what Buckley is on about, Buckley will get pissed with him and he'll end up kicking 50 a season in the VFL until he is delisted.

I think Buckley will admire Jesse's athletic prowess, his determination to be a success, his great kicking and his ability to cover the wide ground of the MCG. It has not worked with Chris Dawes or the Q-Stick in that role because they both could not cover the ground while carrying 100kg. Jesse can a that ground and support Cloke. He will be a great success!

[Blood Tunnel]

A couple of years ago we picked up a potential CHF for around pick 30 who had never even played and The Saints fans thought they were ROBBED, they were FILTHY....so Bernie Vince 23, Shaun Hampson 28 and Collingwood's walk on prime 25 year old CHF who might play in a premiership next year is worth 44???????????? WTF?

Ted Richards = pick 19 and he couldn't get a proper game at Essendon...ditto Darren Jolly (pick 15)....Tom Lee (to St, Kilda) was pick 12, I think and HE hadn't played (much) either. That's what these type of players are REALLY worth. And didn't Adelaide pick up a 3rd year untried tall for a teen pick as well?

We've won a flag & have been one of the most successfull sides on & off the field in the last 10 years. I'll back our guys to know what they are doing. Mummy is done. He has perhaps 2 seasons left in him, potentially playing 16 games in each due to his bad knees. He was after 3 years with us. We only were offering 2 & perhaps less money. That says he wasn't really part of our plans once we set our sights on Buddy.
Colateral damage so to speak so the least we could do is get him to the club that will at least give him the best deal with out any difficulty. GWS for pick 35 thankyou very much.

[aardvark]

I think Buckley will admire Jesse's athletic prowess, his determination to be a success, his great kicking and his ability to cover the wide ground of the MCG. It has not worked with Chris Dawes or the Q-Stick in that role because they both could not cover the ground while carrying 100kg. Jesse can a that ground and support Cloke. He will be a great success!

The truth will probably be somewhere in between our thoughts. I hope he does well but NOT against us.

[Ludwig]

This is an interesting article about StK trading this year:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-is-set-to-land-brisbane-lions-ruckman-billy-longer/story-fnfll94y-1226743039128

When you are rebuilding, you can play hard and nobody will reproach you.

1. They traded Ben McEvoy for pick 18 and Shane Savage, a pretty decent player just outside the Hawks 22.
2. Looks like they will land Billy Longer, taken at pick 8 a couple of years back, for perhaps pick 25.
3. They will get Luke Delaney for pick 77, meaning for zilch.
4. They are trying to screw the Giants out of Josh Bruce by offering pick 41, otherwise they can take him the PSD for nothing (sound familiar). I imagine that the Giants could redraft him in the PSD by undercutting the Saints, which would be interesting case of playing hardball. Maybe we should hand GWS back their pick 39 for Bruce. The Giants really want Fisher, not picks.
5. The Saints, along with NM manipulated the AFL, and effectively the other 16 clubs, out of a compo draft pick by not doing a bilateral trade for Dal Santo, which is why NM are giving Delaney to the Saints for 'free'. A clear case of tag-team rorting.

Now that the Lions are badly wounded, the Crows, Eagles, Saints and Vultures are cricling for the kill. No Swans or Hawks. It's not nice table manners for top of the food chain clubs to indulge in such behaviour.

And with our senior slot and salary cap squeeze all too evident, our soft underbelly has been exposed and the Hyenas are chomping at our Mummeries. (Why didn't GWS call themselves the Hinterland Hyenas? Sounds almost as good as the Green Bay Packers).

We will walk away from this off season a big winner, but not without a few losses.

So it goes.

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Just got the news that Collingwood gave us pick 44 for Jesse White, as had been projected. Wouldn't it be ironic if we used that pick for Joel Tippett. He was offered up for trade for one brother, got knocked back, but then got traded for the other brother.

Jesse White for the 2 Tippetts. I'd like to see that!

[MightyBloods]

I think Buckley will admire Jesse's athletic prowess, his determination to be a success, his great kicking and his ability to cover the wide ground of the MCG. It has not worked with Chris Dawes or the Q-Stick in that role because they both could not cover the ground while carrying 100kg. Jesse can a that ground and support Cloke. He will be a great success!

Collingwood is not the club for Jessie.......all eyes will be on him and Buckley is an Autocrat......bad mixture. Bulldogs would have been a really good fit for Jess. I'm not looking forward to the Pie supporters tearing him appart. He's not the BIG deliverer some supporters think. With patience maybe a good team player...but tell me...who in the Pies land has patience!

[ugg]

I wouldn't classify the Saints offer for Bruce as screwing them, it's quite reasonable for a fringe defender who is out of contract.

[stellation]

I wouldn't classify the Saints offer for Bruce as screwing them, it's quite reasonable for a fringe defender who is out of contract.

It does seem consistent with the current trade market.

[mcs]

I think Buckley will admire Jesse's athletic prowess, his determination to be a success, his great kicking and his ability to cover the wide ground of the MCG. It has not worked with Chris Dawes or the Q-Stick in that role because they both could not cover the ground while carrying 100kg. Jesse can a that ground and support Cloke. He will be a great success!

When you read your posts of manlove for jesse, an independent observer would think jesse is a world beater and an elite player in the league. Instead, he's really had just one good season and may or may not kick on from here. Good luck to him, but it is far from a certainty that he will thrive at the pies.