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  • ShockOfHair
    One Man Out
    • Dec 2007
    • 3668

    #16
    You'd expect that Mitchell will return after the bye. If Lloyd is sub tonight you can count on it.
    The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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    • Matt80
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Sep 2013
      • 1802

      #17
      I think it's a clear sign that Mitchell has dropped down the pecking order, when Brandon Jack was selected ahead of Mitchell when Mcglynn went out.

      Agree with Ludwig that we need key defenders. If we lost our two key defenders like the Hawks have, we would be in deep trouble. We need to ad another key defender and giving up someone like Mitchell may help us get a decent one! I don't think X.Richards or Jordan Lockyer are viable key defensive prospects!

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      • jono2707
        Goes up to 11
        • Oct 2007
        • 3326

        #18
        Originally posted by Matt80
        I think it's a clear sign that Mitchell has dropped down the pecking order, when Brandon Jack was selected ahead of Mitchell when Mcglynn went out.
        No it's not.

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        • dimelb
          pr. dim-melb; m not f
          • Jun 2003
          • 6889

          #19
          Originally posted by Matt80
          I think it's a clear sign that Mitchell has dropped down the pecking order, when Brandon Jack was selected ahead of Mitchell when Mcglynn went out.

          Agree with Ludwig that we need key defenders. If we lost our two key defenders like the Hawks have, we would be in deep trouble. We need to ad another key defender and giving up someone like Mitchell may help us get a decent one! I don't think X.Richards or Jordan Lockyer are viable key defensive prospects!
          I think that, on the strength of ressie watcher comments, Xav is a genuine defence prospect; perhaps you mean he is not ready-to-go as of now? If so I agree, sight unseen; and if the necessity arose, LRT would be straight back in. But for the future, another matter.
          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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          • Triple B
            Formerly 'BBB'
            • Feb 2003
            • 6999

            #20
            Originally posted by Matt80
            I think it's a clear sign that Mitchell has dropped down the pecking order, when Brandon Jack was selected ahead of Mitchell when Mcglynn went out.
            Originally posted by jono2707
            No it's not.
            Agree with Jono, it's nothing of the sort. When McGlynn came out, it's pretty obvious they decided to go with Lloyd for a full game so selected the logical replacement to play as the sub.

            BJ is the better choice as sub, but any one of Mitchell, ROK, Gazza and possibly Towers probably would have gotten the nod if they needed to replace McGlynn with somebody to start in the 21.

            Of course I may look like a dill in 20 minutes when the sub is announced and it's not BJ, but I've looked like a dill before...lol
            Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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            • Bloody Hell
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2006
              • 3085

              #21
              A bit of underrating of Mitchell.

              Correct me if I'm wrong, but he broke into a very strong team, while Lloyd got his chance due to injuries.

              Didn't Mitchell pick up 56 touches one week in the ressies, and it wasn't enough, so the next week he got 60 touches, then got picked for senior debut.

              I haven't heard anything like that for Lloyd....or anyone else for that matter!
              The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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              • Matt80
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Sep 2013
                • 1802

                #22
                Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                A bit of underrating of Mitchell.

                Correct me if I'm wrong, but he broke into a very strong team, while Lloyd got his chance due to injuries.

                Didn't Mitchell pick up 56 touches one week in the ressies, and it wasn't enough, so the next week he got 60 touches, then got picked for senior debut.

                I haven't heard anything like that for Lloyd....or anyone else for that matter!
                Another good performance by Lloyd. 20 effective touches and 7 marks. Mitchell will need his 60 touches in Canberra to stay in the frame. Mitchell will demand that ROK goes to the forward pocket to open up the midfield for him.

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                • aardvark
                  Veterans List
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 5685

                  #23
                  Mitchell when fit is still a fair way in front of Lloyd in my book.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #24
                    Originally posted by liz
                    If there was a mid-season trading period and the Swans put both Mitchell and Lloyd on the open market, inviting clubs to make trade offers for both, who do you think would attract more offers and at what price?
                    Impossible to say at the moment, but if it happened right now, I dare say it would be an even pegging.
                    possibly the mid season, Lloyd would be worth more if you want to take injuries and risk of further injuries into account...
                    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                    • cherub
                      Warming the Bench
                      • May 2010
                      • 239

                      #25
                      They are different players, with different strengths. Who gets to play depends on the team balance. For the first few games we had too many slow inside midfield types, including Tom Mitchell and ROK. Jake is faster with elegant delivery. Tom M. had all the rave reviews, and is still probably rated higher, but in a team with exceptionally gifted inside mids, he is further down that particular pecking order. That ankle injury last year also seems to have affected him a bit. Brandon seems a bit out of sorts, but his strength is that electric burst speed. Horse realised we needed more speed after that first month. I think Jake Lloyd's precise delivery would be attracting some attention.

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                      • CureTheSane
                        Carpe Noctem
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 5032

                        #26
                        I'd like to think that Mitchell has to win his way back.
                        ie: if Lloyd keeps on performing the way he is, then he stays. Micthell either has to perform in was way that demands that he is included, or Lloyd drops the ball a bit and Mitchell becomes a more favorable option.

                        Great thing to be able to say about Lloyd at the moment
                        The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          #27
                          Tom Mitchell to be traded?

                          Don't worry, I'm a big fan of the ball magnet but as the midfield has continued to perform so well and with two possibly three very high draft choice midfielders joining in the next two drafts one does wonder if this is a possibility ala F/S Kennedy leaving the Hawks for us.

                          It seems to have happened so quickly, one minute we are looking to have an ageing side, next minute we have a superstar midfield that is young!

                          If you look at it closely, we do have too many quality midfielders and a batch of uncapped ones playing ressies that could be good too. The club may decide to move some on, some may decide to look for more opportunity elsewhere but I can't see Tom Mitchell being one of them.

                          Lloyd has been good so far in the seniors but has a way to go to prove himself best 22.

                          I also think that BJ despite getting a call up isn't as good this year as last.

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                          • ernie koala
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2007
                            • 3251

                            #28
                            I think the club will be very keen to keep Mitchell...

                            The problem may come from another club desperately in need of quality inside mids, and there's plenty of them, offering him a big, long contract....that the Swans can't afford.

                            Lamb springs to mind.
                            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                            • Doctor
                              Bay 29
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 2757

                              #29
                              He's not going anywhere. He's the future of our midfield, along with some of the other young guys who are already in the side, and a few who are still emerging.
                              Today's a draft of your epitaph

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5861

                                #30
                                Talking about whether we keep Lloyd or Mitchell in the long term is not positive. Firstly, they are vastly different players. Lloyd is a space magnet who's delivery is generally very good. Mitchell is an in and under extractor who's hands are sensational. Lloyd can kick a very long goal from a set shot whereas Tommy is better on the snap. Very different players and both are required in the long term. Let's just enjoy the party watching the kids develop. I think Lloydy is developing a very good understanding with Buddy by the way and I don't think he is going anywhere but up. His long pass to Buddy last night was precisely where Buddy pointed, with pinpoint accuracy. Wonderful kick. The only worry we have with either of them is Tommy's continual battle with soft tissue injury.

                                In a few years, maybe two or three we are going to have a new wave of retirements after the wave at the end of this year. There is room for all our young mids. They will slot in when the time comes. Young Georgie boy is only 18 and in his first season and hasn't done a full pre-season yet and he has plenty of ups and lots of time to develop. By the time he develops there will be players looking to retire (3 years). The coaches will give him a sniff along the way just to keep him keen the same as the other boys.

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