Mitchell vs Lloyd and others

[swans]

Mitchell's 64-touch state league record

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Well done mate. Ledgend

[Matt80]

Lloyd has retained his position against the Cats.

Longmire is rewarding Lloyd's senior team form, which is the correct call.

Longmire mentioned on the 360 program that Lloyd had given the midfield extra options this year.

It would seem that Tom Mitchell is now outside the best 22.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Matt80............ massive call re Mitchell

would it not make sense also that Lloyd is playing as Sub and will be rotated the following week which is generally our policy? ie Mitchell gets another full game in ressies then comes back the week after

[ernie koala]

It would seem that Tom Mitchell is now outside the best 22.

Rubbish.

It's simply a matter of the incumbent, in a winning side, holding his spot.

[Matt80]

Rubbish.

It's simply a matter of the incumbent, in a winning side, holding his spot.

I'm not so sure. The incumbent in the winning side (Lloyd) is playing extremely well and the stats suggest that his disposal efficiency is elite. He is also has a lot of speed.

Mitchell is a similar player to Kennedy and Parker. Kennedy and Parker play in tight, extract the ball, tackle hard, shoot out brilliant handballs and cause physical pain to the opposition. They both also possess better skills and stronger marking than Mitchell. Around those two you need midfielders like McVeigh, Jetta, McGlynn, K. Jack, Hannebery, Cunningham and Jake Lloyd who can receive the ball, break clear with speed and use the ball highly efficiently. Two in an under extract specialists are enough. Mitchell is very similar to Kennedy and Parker and the team balance does not need a third.

Despite the fact he was injured early in the season, the team has looked a lot better without ROK and Mitchell. Mitchell and ROK are not quick and the team does not need more than two in and under extractors?

Mitchell is a very good player and I think he has a big future in the AFL competition.

[jono2707]

Mitchell will be back in our 22 in no time and it's folly to suggest he isn't considered a major part of our club's future.

[mcs]

I'm not so sure. The incumbent in the winning side (Lloyd) is playing extremely well and the stats suggest that his disposal efficiency is elite. He is also has a lot of speed.

Mitchell is a similar player to Kennedy and Parker. Kennedy and Parker play in tight, extract the ball, tackle hard, shoot out brilliant handballs and cause physical pain to the opposition. They both also possess better skills and stronger marking than Mitchell. Around those two you need midfielders like McVeigh, Jetta, McGlynn, K. Jack, Hannebery, Cunningham and Jake Lloyd who can receive the ball, break clear with speed and use the ball highly efficiently. Two in an under extract specialists are enough. Mitchell is very similar to Kennedy and Parker and the team balance does not need a third.

Despite the fact he was injured early in the season, the team has looked a lot better without ROK and Mitchell. Mitchell and ROK are not quick and the team does not need more than two in and under extractors?

Mitchell is a very good player and I think he has a big future in the AFL competition.

You seem to think that his future is somewhere away from the Swans however!

I can see why he isn't in the 22 at the moment - but he will find a place in it given time. I'm just happy we have lots of players pushing for spots - that is a very good sign for the depth we have.

[goods78]

Rubbish.

It's simply a matter of the incumbent, in a winning side, holding his spot.

So you agree that this week Tom is not in our best 22?

[Plugger46]

Mitchell will be back in our 22 in no time and it's folly to suggest he isn't considered a major part of our club's future.

Correct. Clearly, some people aren't aware of what he's capable of.

[ernie koala]

So you agree that this week Tom is not in our best 22?

No.

IMO, it's a matter of circumstance, he had ankle problems earlier in the season, had a week off, then came back through the 2's.

He's not there this week because the coaches have decided, as they often do, to keep the winning side virtually unchanged.

If he stays healthy, he'll be back in the seniors very soon. And I predict, he'll carve it up.

Talk of trading him is ridiculous.

[goods78]

No.

IMO, it's a matter of circumstance, he had ankle problems earlier in the season, had a week off, then came back through the 2's.

He's not there this week because the coaches have decided, as they often do, to keep the winning side virtually unchanged.

If he stays healthy, he'll be back in the seniors very soon. And I predict, he'll carve it up.

Talk of trading him is ridiculous.

I think the part you are missing is 'this week'.....I agree that he is a wonderfully talented player with fantastic upside.

If JPK or another inside mid is injured he is the first cab off the rank and would do a great job.

Assuming he is fully recovered from the ankle (why would he be playing 2's otherwise), he is not in our best 22 this week.

I get the feeling that the coaches have currently pigeon holed him due to his pace compared to others.

If the miracle happens - i.e. a winning, fit team for the rest of the year (I know a dream), he could be out for a while.

I don't think the Swan's would trade him. But if I was playing 2's whilst the 1's were playing finals, there would be no consolation for me being the best depth player in the comp. He might want to be traded if he does not get more opportunities and I would not begrudge him (nor ROK, LRT and others that might think they have something to offer at the top level of another club).

[ernie koala]

I'm not missing the "this week" bit.

I thought I explained why I think Lloyd holds his place ahead of Mitchell...It's about circumstance, it's about getting games into another young player while the teams winning and he's in form.

How often do you see rookies come into a winning side and look really good, then when the side starts to loose a few games they struggle and go back to the 2's for a spell. It happens in every team.

Lloyd has been good, not sensational, but good, and holds his place in a winning side, well done by him. He looks like he's going to be a good player at AFL level....but...

IMO, at this stage in their short careers, Mitchell is a far better player than Lloyd. All be it they play a slightly different role.

[Matt80]

I think the part you are missing is 'this week'.....I agree that he is a wonderfully talented player with fantastic upside.

If JPK or another inside mid is injured he is the first cab off the rank and would do a great job.

Assuming he is fully recovered from the ankle (why would he be playing 2's otherwise), he is not in our best 22 this week.

I get the feeling that the coaches have currently pigeon holed him due to his pace compared to others.

If the miracle happens - i.e. a winning, fit team for the rest of the year (I know a dream), he could be out for a while.

I don't think the Swan's would trade him. But if I was playing 2's whilst the 1's were playing finals, there would be no consolation for me being the best depth player in the comp. He might want to be traded if he does not get more opportunities and I would not begrudge him (nor ROK, LRT and others that might think they have something to offer at the top level of another club).

Great points Goods78.

Tom produced the greatest reserve grade performance in the history of Champion Data and still can?t get in the team.

I believe now that his pace is a concern and the Swans Hierarchy believe that you can?t play too many slow paced players.
Playing Kennedy, Parker, ROK, Bird and Mitchell together made the team too slow. The team has found the perfect midfield balance in playing Parker, Bird and Kennedy and not having ROK and Mitchell.

Mitchell?s ankle may have improved but he does not have the pace of a Lloyd.

If you want Mitchell in the team you have to make the argument that he will replace Kennedy, Bird or Parker. This is a definite no with Parker and Kennedy. You could look at Bird, but he is too consistent and does better shut down jobs than Mitchell.
I think injury to Kennedy, Bird or Parker is his best chance to get back in the team.

Longmire would also be looking to play Rohan or Brandon Jack as quick subs, so he is not going to come back through the subs vest.

Tom Mitchell is a good player but the midfield is perfectly balanced at the moment.

I agree Goods78 that Mitchell may become impatient in playing in the NEAFL.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Can confidently say I don't think he'll be going anywhere, and that when he's back a few people are going to look pretty silly.

[AnsweredPrayers]

Can confidently say I don't think he'll be going anywhere, and that when he's back a few people are going to look pretty silly.

Mitchell is very talented and will have along and successful career at the Swans. Before his injury he appeared to play very well for someone that has become too slow. Surely people have noticed that Longmire doesn't like to make changes when the team wins. Nothing much more to it.