List changes and trade bait

[goswannie14]

Did any one pick up 2 comments by Gerard Healy last night on the couch. One that Sam Reid needs an operation and should not have played, the other was the most interesting re P Ryder in that HQ (I assume this means the AFL) said no way to the Swans making a play. All 3 people on the show said that is ridiculous and that the Swans should call their bluff.

If this is true, then I would love to see Ryder take the AFL to court for restraint of trade.

[Flying South]

I'm only responding to a rumour that Mark Robinson said on AFL 360. He said that St Kilda were open to trading their number one pick and were talking to the Swans about a player. He did not name the player. I've been making assumptions.

The beauty about this thread is that you can entertain rumour and innuendo. After Buddy any deal is possible.

Maybe I see a great future in Heeney, Mills and Dunkley. My strategy is to put one more gun in with that group and secure the midfield future. Fed by Tom Mitchell and led by Parker a midfield grouping of Patracca, Heeney and Mills could be deadly, even more so that today's midfield.

I don't want to upset people. This is just my opinion.

This whole thread is just people's opinions. There is no right or wrong. IF the rumour is correct, for all we know, maybe one of our players have requested a move back home. IF that was Hannebery or Mitchell, why not go after the 1st draft pick. But I probably wouldn't use it on Petracca. He has been predominately playing forward. A KPD of the likes of Durdin or Lever is really what we need. But pick 1 is probably paying overs.

[Jewels]

If you get the chance watch the game again.

Saddist!!!!!

[churry]

They're not too contradictory, really- it just says he'd like a trade, but will see out the rest of his contract (next season) happily enough if one can't be facilitated.

I assume GWS are the destination and are dangling a few years and a fair few bucks to him on a contract, he'd be a very handy pick up for them (well he would be for most teams!). Wouldn't mind if were some how in the mix, but I can't see us having the dollars to splash around.

He's after a change of scenery and would like to live in Sydney. I think a deal will get done as the lions may need a three team deal for beams. GWS will certainly be the front runner and with Luke power plus Buchanan at GWS there are some familiar faces there.

[Conor_Dillon]

How about this...IF for some unbeknown reason one of our young guns has requested a trade home and to the Saints for big $$$, we'll call him Hannebery.

We trade Hannebery for pick 1, then trade pick 1 for another player...maybe Carlisle? This may not be possible because of our salary cap restraints and we might by tentative because of ASADA but I think it would be better use of the number 1 pick.

[Dosser]

Did any one pick up 2 comments by Gerard Healy last night on the couch. One that Sam Reid needs an operation and should not have played, the other was the most interesting re P Ryder in that HQ (I assume this means the AFL) said no way to the Swans making a play. All 3 people on the show said that is ridiculous and that the Swans should call their bluff. Perhaps Hawthorn should be swayed for bidding on Frawley and O'Rourke just as nothing was raised by other clubs with the transfer of Lake. McEvoy etc. Surely some melb scribes can see and say that we are not the only ones and now the Pies say maybe we could get Dangerfield.

Where is the outcry about the Swans losing an important premiership player and 2014 AA to free agency? Malceski is a major coup for another club but nobody in the media is raising an eyebrow. If we then go for a current all australian player to replace him, we will never hear the end of it because we are not supposed to. We are supposed to let crap clubs get them instead so they can burn them like they usually do while they sink into mediocrity. Hawthorn can get whoever they like - go for Frawley because they have the "Buddy space" in their salary cap, but Swans who moved-on close to $3mil worth of players to get Tip and Buddy shouldnt be allowed to get anyone good now. For goodness sake, we lose ROK, LRT, probably Malceski, possibly Goodes and Shaw, but we are not allowed to replace them with a good player. What a joke. End of rant.

[CureTheSane]

from Fox Footy...

UPDATE: Joel Patfull's manager has confirmed the reliable Lions defender is looking to move to a Sydney-based club.

[liz]

Where is the outcry about the Swans losing an important premiership player and 2014 AA to free agency? Malceski is a major coup for another club but nobody in the media is raising an eyebrow. If we then go for a current all australian player to replace him, we will never hear the end of it because we are not supposed to. We are supposed to let crap clubs get them instead so they can burn them like they usually do while they sink into mediocrity. Hawthorn can get whoever they like - go for Frawley because they have the "Buddy space" in their salary cap, but Swans who moved-on close to $3mil worth of players to get Tip and Buddy shouldnt be allowed to get anyone good now. For goodness sake, we lose ROK, LRT, probably Malceski, possibly Goodes and Shaw, but we are not allowed to replace them with a good player. What a joke. End of rant.

Yep. This has me particularly irritated. I don't think anyone would question the Hawks as being by far the best team / squad of the last few seasons. Three grand finals in a row for back-to-back premierships is pretty clear evidence. The fact they were able to achieve another premiership in 2014 with the injuries they had shows they not only have quality at the top of their list, but enviable depth too.

Yet everyone seems to just accept it is "normal" for them to be able to add another high quality free agent.

When the Swans won in 2012 (with a list most then considered to be inferior to the Hawks'), it was inconceivable that we did it without already having the salary cap filled to the limit. The ability to add Tippett was therefore cheating. I am not sure if the likes of Brereton and McGuire are stupid or plain dishonest with all the crap they have peddled about the Swans and the way their cap is managed.

[Flying South]

If you get the chance watch the game again. We won the contested ball but fed it again to a contest. Our spare men were never damaging. They used the ball to the spare man and then fed it to the man playing on Goodes and Parker. Mcglynn would then chase until he blew up and then there was no pressure. The four tall forwards were exploited defensively horribly. Ie it wasn't workrate at least not initially. It was us having talls like Reid Goodes and Tippett who couldn't put any pressure on their exits and them having Puopolo Rioli Breust who did the exact opposite.

Sorry hammer. Can't go there. Wounds are too deep. I'll take your word for it. But agree those three talls are lack defensive pressure.

[Matt80]

from Fox Footy...

UPDATE: Joel Patfull's manager has confirmed the reliable Lions defender is looking to move to a Sydney-based club.

It's funny hearing these players who are desperate to play AFL in Sydney for lifestyle reasons. They say publicly that they want to play at the Swans and hope a deal is done. Are the images of Buddy enjoying the summer such a bad thing?

[Dosser]

It's funny hearing these players who are desperate to play AFL in Sydney for lifestyle reasons. They say publicly that they want to play at the Swans and hope a deal is done. Are the images of Buddy enjoying the summer such a bad thing?

*yawn* I want more money and Sydney is talking to me... Acker, anyone?

[giant]

Could the Swans team of 2009 win a premiership? How much did they have to make up on the best? (Hint: we went 8:14 and finished 12th, and the team that went 15:7 and finished 4th missed the GF by 73 points.) We already know how to turn a side that far down the pile into a flag-winning unit.

Statistically, the 2014 GF is a massive outlier. It's the biggest score that we've given up since round 18, 2010 where Melbourne scored 142 points against us at the MCG. It's also our biggest loss since that game (73 points). For a team to record its worst result for years in a GF is something that in general only happens once in a few decades (even though it's now happened twice this century).

If you measured the quality of a list by its worst result, you would say that every team in the AFL had a deeply flawed list well short of a premiership. In that sense, the result says something about the resilience of individual players (and more importantly their ability to gel together under extreme pressure), but it doesn't say anything about whether our list is talented enough to win a flag.

If we don't want to 'enjoy' what Port Adelaide went through 2008-2012 then we keep on grinding it out the Swans' way, which is to push and keep developing our established players who we know are good enough, 'push out' experienced players near the end through retirements, and for those who are contracted (and where there's no trade interest) but they are no longer in our best 22 in 2015, simply don't pick 'em; trade for need (and trade away those we no longer need so much, but the market does) and evolve our list sensibly.

And above all, back our players?the experienced players should know where they're at, but if the young players believe 'we're xx goals off being a premiership side, we're miles away, we'll never make it', then that's Port Adelaide 2008 thinking where you could see them drop their heads and lose confidence in themselves, and got the results you'd expect. Each of Dane Rampe, Nick Smith and Ben McGlynn I thought were disappointing today compared with their best this year. Doesn't mean that their spots on the list should be in jeopardy.

Towards that end: Shaw should be gone as I don't believe we could retain Malceski with him still on the list, Goodes can do what he likes but 2015 is fairly likely to be that one year too many. Keep each of Reid (barring an offer better than I believe we will get), Jetta and Rohan. They're all well and truly capable of playing in the next Swans' premiership team.

Comfortably the best post in this thread.

[Melbournehammer]

Saddist!!!!!

Actually fruedian slip - there - it wasnt that sad. watching it the first time round was sad. In fact i dont remember watching all that much. I just sat there with my head in my hands listening to "breust there it is, breust there it is"

watching it again was kind of cathartic

[stellation]

*yawn* I want more money and Sydney is talking to me... Acker, anyone?

Patfull has never been an Aker character, though. From what I read the Lions acknowledged he is planning to live in Sydney after he retires, so I think it's legit. He would be a very good pickup for us, but I do think it's likely GWS would go hard for him- they have familiar faces, money and he fills a big void for them.

He would have a few more seasons in him, but I imagine we'd probably err on the side of a 2 year contract (may stretch to 3) and GWS can probably afford to trump us by a year or so as well as extra bucks.

[Melbournehammer]

Yep. This has me particularly irritated. I don't think anyone would question the Hawks as being by far the best team / squad of the last few seasons. Three grand finals in a row for back-to-back premierships is pretty clear evidence. The fact they were able to achieve another premiership in 2014 with the injuries they had shows they not only have quality at the top of their list, but enviable depth too.

Yet everyone seems to just accept it is "normal" for them to be able to add another high quality free agent.

When the Swans won in 2012 (with a list most then considered to be inferior to the Hawks'), it was inconceivable that we did it without already having the salary cap filled to the limit. The ability to add Tippett was therefore cheating. I am not sure if the likes of Brereton and McGuire are stupid or plain dishonest with all the crap they have peddled about the Swans and the way their cap is managed.

Leigh matthews is to blame for a lot of this. If he hadn't said "its not supposed to work that way." the hue and cry may have been managed.