List changes and trade bait

[magic.merkin]

No thanks. Robinson is a flog of the highest calibre. He is totally undisciplined and unrepentant about his many misdemeanours. The only thing that will change him is a couple of years on the sideline where he can realise what a dimwit he was about how he threw away his career.

Interesting, i can see both sides of the argument. We could turn him around vs lost cause (talent?)

[Jewels]

Both Hunt and Robinson would be handy, my bit would be on Robinson he plays with agro and is a hard nut which is maybe what we need, fix up
Hodge et al. with hardness. Sign him and say if you get rubbed out you loose pay.

I'm with you, there's something about Robinson I've always liked, maybe its just the fact that he was a Swans fan, cause he is exactly what Ampersand said - a flog, but just something about him I like and I reckon he's worth a second chance.
A lot of people said some pretty mean things about Morton also, not withstanding that everyone agreed he had the talent that Robinson doesn't, but he does have some mongrel about him that wouldn't go astray in our team.

[lorakf]

Kinnear Beatson just confirmed on Trade Radio that Swans are looking to trade Membrey and or Biggs if they can improve their current pick of 39 as it will be the only one they use in the upcoming draft.

[CureTheSane]

Membrey & Biggs & 39 for what? Low 20's?
Not sure many teams would want both players, unless it's a complex 3 or 4 way trade.

[ugg]

It's going to be more unlikely than likely, but I think our best hopes lie with either St Kilda trading #1 for two of GWS's top 10 picks and/or what picks the Bulldogs get for Jason Tutt and/or Liam Jones who have both attracted Carlton's interest. Although I don't think the deal would be fair, the Dogs might cut their losses and trade both of them for Carlton's pick 46. They would then have #45 and #46 and will be more willing to trade one of them to us for Biggs and our #58. The only stumbling block is that Biggs would be a delisted free agent and the Bulldogs could pick him up for absolutely no cost to them so they'll have very little incentive to complete such a trade.

But let's assume for some reason they do, then we get #46 for Biggs and #58. We on trade #46 with Membrey for #41. We then hold #39 and #41. We find a club willing to do a 2-for-1 deal. In the past, Geelong have been one such club and we could target their pick #35 as a potential upgrade. It's only an improvement of 4 spots but it will be better than losing Membrey and Biggs for completely nothing.

Final outcome:

Sydney
In: #35
Out: #39, #58, Membrey, Biggs

Geelong
In: #39, #41
Out: #35

St Kilda
In: Membrey, #46
Out: #41

W.Bulldogs
In: Biggs, #58
Out: Jones, Tutt

Carlton
In: Jones, Tutt
Out: #46

[swansrob]

Membrey & Biggs & 39 for what? Low 20's?
Not sure many teams would want both players, unless it's a complex 3 or 4 way trade.

If we can upgrade 39 for either one (Membrey to Saints, Biggs to Dogs), we'll trade - otherwise, we'll let both walk and keep pick 39. At best, only one of them will be traded.

[swansrob]

If we can upgrade 39 for either one (Membrey to Saints, Biggs to Dogs), we'll trade - otherwise, we'll let both walk and keep pick 39. At best, only one of them will be traded.

Unless of course we go with Ugg's suggestion..

[ugg]

Dogs just traded Cooney to Essendon for #37 (on traded from Port). They now have #26, #27, #37 and #45 with possibly Jones/Tutt to collect more picks.

[Matt80]

Dogs just traded Cooney to Essendon for #37 (on traded from Port). They now have #26, #27, #37 and #45 with possibly Jones/Tutt to collect more picks.

Maybe that pick 39 can now move up two places to pick 37 for Shane Biggs if no improvement can be done on pick 58. Better than nothing!

[ugg]

Membrey trade dead in the water apparently. Let's call the whole thing off and head to the pub.

[Meg]

Kinnear Beatson just confirmed on Trade Radio that Swans are looking to trade Membrey and or Biggs if they can improve their current pick of 39 as it will be the only one they use in the upcoming draft.

Can I clarify what appears to be the Swans' intent?

We lose 8 from our 2014 list: LRT, ROK, Mal, Dick, Lockyer, Walsh, Membrey, Biggs (+ Patrick Mitchell)

We upgrade Richards & Lloyd and draft 3 Academy players - Heeney, Hiscox, Davis, + one draft pick still to come (if Beatson statement reported above is correct that we are only looking for one draft pick). That is a total of 6 in, leaving two empty spots (I think we must have a minimum of 38 on the senior list).

Does that suggest there will be two further rookie upgrades? Naismith? Robinson? ???

Have I missed someone or forgotten something. This time of the year gets very confusing! (I am already bewildered about who plays for which team with all the last minute trades going on!)

[ugg]

Both Naismith and Robinson would be going into their 3rd years on the rookie list. There can only be one, so one of them will either be promoted, delisted or delisted and re-rookied.

[Ludwig]

Both Naismith and Robinson would be going into their 3rd years on the rookie list. There can only be one, so one of them will either be promoted, delisted or delisted and re-rookied.

I raised this matter in another post, that there was a limit of 1 3rd year rookie, but could not find this provision in the AFL rules. I don't doubt that you are correct, but could you point to the actual rule?

[rb4x]

Meg

Biggs is on the Rookie list so it leave just one spot for a rookie upgrade in your scenario. Expect Naismith to be upgraded and Robinson to be 3rd year rookie. With AJ on the Long Term Injury List Robinson can be offered the possibility of an immediate rookie upgrade in 2015. Another possibility is delist Harry Marsh and rookie him if no other team picks him up. On what he has shown to date the Robinson and Naismith deserve Senior list positions ahead of him.

[Matt80]

Membrey trade dead in the water apparently. Let's call the whole thing off and head to the pub.

if no deal in done on Membrey, can the club attept to talk him into staying before the final list lodgement?